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> See, and you’re free to feel that way. Im sure some Catholics would love to tell you why you’re wrong. But that’s the beauty of it. There is no right or wrong as long as, in the end, you believe
@TheSynical1 have you read a lot of the Bible? I’m just curious because you seem reluctant to accept what is in it. So makes me curious if you really know what is in it. Don’t mean to sound rude there. I don’t know a better way to say that.

It wasn't until I was 19 years old with my ex girlfriend who was pregnant with my first child and I was playing a game called RPG Maker 3

> @kendikane88 how do you know, though? people says they can be saved and therefore not go to hell, but don't you think god would have a system where people atone for their sins?
@isoboto no I do not think god had a system for people to atone for their sins because Jesus already did that. And the way to go to heaven (and stay out of hell) is not to atone for our own sin but to accept Jesus’s death on the cross as the atonement for us.

The thing is I didn't even really think about the things that I was doing wrong I never cared about it I wiped my ass and I was done

> It was a lot of evil and wrong that I was doing that brought me to Jesus
@ARCADEIUS yeah. i've heard a lot of similar stories. when you're standing on the edge, the only thing keeping you from falling is faith on a higher being. and usually a person would pray more when they are in a hard place/time

> @TheSynical1 have you read a lot of the Bible? I’m just curious because you seem reluctant to accept what is in it. So makes me curious if you really know what is in it. Don’t mean to sound rude there. I don’t know a better way to say that.
@kendikane88

Not rude. I understand. And my grandfather was a minister, and without a father in my home, my father figure, if that helps make things clear. Your acceptance can differ from mine, and mine from yours and so on. And that is ultimately my point.

> @ARCADEIUS educate me! i like talking about christianity and religions. especially the "saving" process
@isoboto The saving process?

I can tell you plenty...

My dad was discharged in the military in early 2010, for medical reasons. They never gave his retirement and we had no where to go. We spent the next 6.5 months at my Grandparents who lived in Montana. And while I was a kid at the time, we were having stuff going on, at first was mild. We moved to Great Falls MT in 2011, and then in 2012 moved to Idaho...

And in short alot of crap went down in Idaho. A whole bunch of stuff that I can't quite get into for certain reasons, 1 being I don't know the whole story.

But for awhile we were going to this 24/7 Church, and one night. A Man, nobody knew him, NOBODY, we didn't know him. He came to my Dad, and I think asked to talk to him.

That man did some of the weirdest things we'd never seen before. He told my Dad, that he was gonna have my Dad spin around three times. Basically what he was doing was unravelling all of the bad stuff to let the good stuff come in. Out with the old, and in with the new. He told my Dad that in two weeks he was gonna get an EMAIL talking about an overseas Job.

At first my Dad didn't believe him...guess what happened? Two weeks later, he gets an email from Dubai...At first my Dad thought it was spam, but they somehow had found his old linkedin profile WITH extremely outdated resumes, and sent him an email through there. Finally Dad opened it...and it was legit. My mom and dad were just so flabbergasted they couldn't believed it.

We never saw that guy...ever again.

We spent the next several months preparing to go there. We moved to Dubai, and spend a wonderful 4 years there.

> @kendikane88
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> Not rude. I understand. And my grandfather was a minister, and without a father in my home, my father figure, if that helps make things clear. Your acceptance can differ from mine, and mine from yours and so on. And that is ultimately my point.
@TheSynical1 thanks for sharing your experience. So is your understanding of what is in the Bible mainly based on what you learned from your grandfather then?

> @isoboto no I do not think god had a system for people to atone for their sins because Jesus already did that. And the way to go to heaven (and stay out of hell) is not to atone for our own sin but to accept Jesus’s death on the cross as the atonement for us.
@kendikane88 lmao i think that's a reason why i can't ever be a christian. i simply can't accept letting jesus bear the burden of my sins. it feels wrong to me -- being unresponsible

> @TheSynical1 thanks for sharing your experience. So is your understanding of what is in the Bible mainly based on what you learned from your grandfather then?
@kendikane88

Well, my introduction was from him, my mother and church when I was younger. My viewpoints and understanding are solely my own. As yours should be too.

Well I was playing the game and I seen two shadows and I know it sounds unbelievable trust me I get it. But I was not able to move or speak and I tried using all my strength and my body was just not responding

> @kendikane88 lmao i think that's a reason why i can't ever be a christian. i simply can't accept letting jesus bear the burden of my sins. it feels wrong to me -- being unresponsible
@isoboto that is a spirit of pride. It’s hard to accept that you can not earn your own way.

Nothing I did or tried was able to help me I couldn't even wake her up cuz I tried to

All I said was God God God.... And I immediately was free

I woke her up I said I have to pray I have to pray

You know what else? When we were in Idaho we were really struggling, we had a house over our heads and were able to get food but still.

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> Well, my introduction was from him, my mother and church when I was younger. My viewpoints and understanding are solely my own. As yours should be too.
@TheSynical1 right but what I’m really asking is - is your opinion about the contents of the Bible based on the co tents of the Bible or based on what you’ve learned from others?

Going to food banks isn't fun. and I'm sure plenty of people in the poor/poverty knows that as well. But God blessed us, we moved to Dubai, and my Dad was making 10K usd per month. (Rich compared to the US and NOT Dubai tho)

And then she had a cross in the the other room that opens up.

Well I started to pray and I literally seen the image of Jesus. And it wasn't only me she seen it to

> @isoboto that is a spirit of pride. It’s hard to accept that you can not earn your own way.
@kendikane88 i supposed so. but i think it contradicts with Buddhism -- where a person went through 7 levels of hell and repaid their sins to eventually, finally be reincarnated.

I remember clearly saying do you see that do you see that

> @TheSynical1 right but what I’m really asking is - is your opinion about the contents of the Bible based on the co tents of the Bible or based on what you’ve learned from others?
@kendikane88

As I said, it’s based on myself. My own interpretations. No man, woman or child can influence my viewpoints or relationship with God, because that relationship is solely between me and God.

I felt light as a feather like I was floating in the air tears fell down my eyes and they fell down hers too that's when I knew everything

I knew that Heaven and Hell Is Real at that moment I knew all the wrong things I've done and I felt horrible

But I was also thankful and happy because I understood why Jesus died on the cross

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> As I said, it’s based on myself. My own interpretations. No man, woman or child can influence my viewpoints or relationship with God, because that relationship is solely between me and God.
@TheSynical1 so based on yourself but not based on the merits of the contents of the book?

Well either way Synical, I pray that God will keep you to the right path, and help you in your time of need.

It was the best feeling I probably ever felt and I haven't felt it since I was 19

Just an unexplainable feeling

> It was the best feeling I probably ever felt and I haven't felt it since I was 19
@ARCADEIUS i'm so glad for you, man.

Note: Being that dirt poor and then spending the next four years going to expensive delicious restaurants only having to spend the next three years not being able to do that anymore really does something.

@isoboto thank you I know he was saving me and I never went looking for him

Like dude, I got spoiled in Dubai

alot

After that I started reading the Bible like a straight-up Holy Roller

But I was still young and I let what I seen get the best of me

> Just an unexplainable feeling
@ARCADEIUS yeah, i figured. I asked all christians this and they all gave me a different explanation. But usually it's "You will know when it comes to you" explanation

> Well either way Synical, I pray that God will keep you to the right path, and help you in your time of need.
@Book

Hahaha. My path is the right path for me. I don’t need God because I already have Him. That seems as though you view my stance with some sort of pity, and that’s unnecessary.

Man I was literally in the streets fist fighting with people over Jesus

What?