Message from @DeButcher

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2020-11-09 00:17:58 UTC  

Like I said, very little about Saints in the Bible
This is something Tradition has to handle

2020-11-09 00:19:35 UTC  

Tradition? Your statement is powerful. Saying tradition is not a good source. If its not in the bible then dont include it.

2020-11-09 00:19:48 UTC  

Bible is important than tradition

2020-11-09 00:20:53 UTC  

Sure, but we need tradition to interpret the Bible. This is the most stark difference between Protestant and Catholic: we give more credence to tradition.

2020-11-09 00:21:33 UTC  

It also doesn't say abortion is wrong in the Bible, but we know that to still be wrong

2020-11-09 00:21:55 UTC  

What the difference between Catholic and Jews during Jesus time then?

2020-11-09 00:22:12 UTC  

Both hold major importance to tradition

2020-11-09 00:22:53 UTC  

Jesus came to destroy Jewish tradition and insteas told to focus on the relationship with God.

2020-11-09 00:23:11 UTC  

So Bible is more important than tradition

2020-11-09 00:23:21 UTC  

> What the difference between Catholic and Jews during Jesus time then?
@DeButcher Not much
The Apostles still considered themselves Jews, and just followed Jesus' teaching

2020-11-09 00:24:16 UTC  

Wait so
You're saying Bible is more important because Jesus came to destroy Jewish culture, and because Jewish culture emphasized tradition, tradition is less important?

2020-11-09 00:24:41 UTC  

Just trying to understand where you're coming from

2020-11-09 00:27:19 UTC  

Yes they focus on tradition and laws and the pharisee made the life of Jews bad.

2020-11-09 00:28:01 UTC  

They adding things to the Torah and complicated it

2020-11-09 00:28:41 UTC  

I wouldn't say that Catholicism and Judaism are similar to compare, even though Christianity is certainly rooted in Judaism

2020-11-09 00:28:55 UTC  

Focus on what's important. Relationship with Christ

2020-11-09 00:29:28 UTC  

> I wouldn't say that Catholicism and Judaism are similar to compare, even though Christianity is certainly rooted in Judaism
@MKSmash
Im just talking bout the tradition aspect

2020-11-09 00:31:58 UTC  

I know, but you're connecting them with one thin strand (tradition); I don't find your claim very strong that tradition isn't as important because it is one of the things we have in common with Judaism

2020-11-09 00:35:08 UTC  

Tradition cant do you any good. Following it wont take you heaven. Following the word of God for sure will. So i urge you to read the bible. Bible is sufficient. It has all the things we need.

2020-11-09 00:36:57 UTC  

You're right, it does; however, it requires tradition to adequately interpret and "use" the Bible

2020-11-09 00:38:55 UTC  

Could you give an example where tradition is need to explain the bible.

2020-11-09 00:39:15 UTC  

If tradition is needed then it would be included in the bible

2020-11-09 00:44:54 UTC  

Sure
Let's take Genesis, in the Creation story. We obviously can't take this story seriously, with the earth being created in 7 "days". We need tradition to interpret how creation happened; for example, how Eve was created from Adam.

2020-11-09 00:45:31 UTC  

wdym not actually 7 days?

2020-11-09 00:46:28 UTC  

Time doesn't exist with God, he only exists in the eternal now.

2020-11-09 00:46:49 UTC  

There was no time to work with

2020-11-09 00:46:59 UTC  

God is the creator. He created time.

2020-11-09 00:47:32 UTC  

He could have created the universe in less than 1 second

2020-11-09 00:47:44 UTC  

true

2020-11-09 00:47:56 UTC  

He has infinite power

2020-11-09 00:48:10 UTC  

But He took his time and made it step by step process

2020-11-09 00:48:34 UTC  

exactly. I believe that He and Jesus built the world, and that God taught Jesus how to.

2020-11-09 00:49:03 UTC  

That's
Different😄

2020-11-09 00:49:27 UTC  

Where does that belief come from?

2020-11-09 00:49:44 UTC  

Read Gensis 1:5

2020-11-09 00:49:48 UTC  
2020-11-09 00:50:12 UTC  
2020-11-09 00:50:27 UTC  

correct, I am a Mormon.

2020-11-09 00:51:50 UTC  

Ah
I will confess, I know nothing about Mormon beliefs

2020-11-09 00:51:57 UTC  

@DeButcher I read it

2020-11-09 00:52:07 UTC  

The creation of night and day