mirror neurons

And its painful because of how God made us, and we know it's wrong because of what He told us

You miss the point. You once again cannot provide an ontological grounds for which you condemn that which you label as 'wrong' apart from the biblical worldview. It is wrong to murder because we have innate knowledge of God which has instill a value to value and respect image bearers which we are equal to as humans and disrespecting that is a violation of that value.

If you needed a god to tell you thats wrong, well... maybe they did back then.

i value humans not because god told me to, but because i value myself.

God doesn't need to "tell us", He writes that down in our core of our being and we act in that way.

God makes the Universe.

God sets the rules for the Universe.

All in the Universe reflects those rules.

Snobbish monkey 10 epochs later attributes it to pure chance.

Also called conscience

none of what you guys think comes from god " has " to come from god objectively.

I understand we will not agree here

thats fine.

No it does

That is vicious circular reasoning. You cannot ground morality solely by your decree to arbitrarily value yourself.

What do you mean. Explain

Because He made the rules that allows for that to be observed

Stop acting all "agree to disagree" because you're stubborn

God wound the clock, and the clock ticks accordingly

im arguing with too many people 😄

Thanks guys.

Lol

"Has to come" is worded very wrongly here. Morality *necessarily* is a consequence by virtue of God's existence. Only because He exists that you may have a sense of morality.

"Thanks guys" For what? You ignored all our points and we got nowhere.

Alright guys I gtg, will be back in few hrs. Remember don't be toxic. Have a healthy discussion!!!

Yeah yeah ok

We get it you're being passive

Oh boy essays incoming

God is simply, the Ultimate Standard of intelligible experience (knowledge, morality, laws of logic, you name it). Without His existence as a standard that provides the preconditions of said experiences, you, as the unbeliever, cannot come to grasp any sense of experience. The fact that you can do so, proves that the biblical God exists. For in Him we move and have our being.

That makes sense smash

but tying that in to a religion doesnt.

Now he's acting understanding

So what if a group of people or nation unanimously decided that murder and such is ok? Is that still wrong if they’re all ok with it?

There needs to be an objective moral standard to say it’s wrong, which is impossible without God

Oh nevermind

God can be separate from religion.

Bruh

What

"The object of a religion can be separate from a religion"

"creator" if you will

"The creator of everything can be separate from the institution of its worship"

🥴

Except it does work. Greg Bahnsen literally disproved all other religions under this transcendental criteria. The biblical God has the transcendental criteria necessary to be the Ultimate Standard of all experiences because of His nature revealed in Scripture. Allah, Brahman, any other non-Christian quasi-divine entity, cannot provide said preconditions. The nature they reveal and the worldview from which they assert themselves to provide cannot provide those preconditions, thus by the fact we can experience said preconditions alone disproves the not-Christian worldviews.

im leaving now though, seriously.