Message from @DeButcher

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2020-11-27 23:58:18 UTC  

If God is creator of the universe then yes he is the source

2020-11-27 23:58:35 UTC  

Nuro acted like I was gonna be toxic

2020-11-27 23:59:00 UTC  

A humans right to life is granted not by a god but simply by having sentience. We know pain, and to inflict pain is wrong.

2020-11-27 23:59:05 UTC  

god doesnt need to tell us that.

2020-11-27 23:59:07 UTC  

https://www.proginosko.com/docs/knowledge_and_theism.html
This coupled with the historicity of the Resurrection of Jesus.

2020-11-27 23:59:09 UTC  

thats my standing

2020-11-27 23:59:10 UTC  

Yes He does

2020-11-27 23:59:16 UTC  

He made the World so of course He does lol

2020-11-27 23:59:31 UTC  

But how do u know it wrong.

2020-11-27 23:59:35 UTC  

@Smash Boy And by foundation I'm sure you mean more so the context as to why certain rules were laid forth by revelation, aye?

2020-11-27 23:59:46 UTC  

You know its wrong to hurt others because you know what pain is.

2020-11-27 23:59:47 UTC  

That's how I interpreted you at the meaar

2020-11-27 23:59:52 UTC  

Sentience is what does that.

2020-11-28 00:00:03 UTC  

mirror neurons

2020-11-28 00:00:10 UTC  

And its painful because of how God made us, and we know it's wrong because of what He told us

2020-11-28 00:00:36 UTC  

You miss the point. You once again cannot provide an ontological grounds for which you condemn that which you label as 'wrong' apart from the biblical worldview. It is wrong to murder because we have innate knowledge of God which has instill a value to value and respect image bearers which we are equal to as humans and disrespecting that is a violation of that value.

2020-11-28 00:00:36 UTC  

If you needed a god to tell you thats wrong, well... maybe they did back then.

2020-11-28 00:01:02 UTC  

i value humans not because god told me to, but because i value myself.

2020-11-28 00:01:06 UTC  

God doesn't need to "tell us", He writes that down in our core of our being and we act in that way.

2020-11-28 00:01:08 UTC  

God makes the Universe.

God sets the rules for the Universe.

All in the Universe reflects those rules.

Snobbish monkey 10 epochs later attributes it to pure chance.

2020-11-28 00:01:38 UTC  

Also called conscience

2020-11-28 00:01:58 UTC  

none of what you guys think comes from god " has " to come from god objectively.

2020-11-28 00:02:06 UTC  

I understand we will not agree here

2020-11-28 00:02:07 UTC  

thats fine.

2020-11-28 00:02:10 UTC  

No it does

2020-11-28 00:02:10 UTC  

That is vicious circular reasoning. You cannot ground morality solely by your decree to arbitrarily value yourself.

2020-11-28 00:02:20 UTC  

What do you mean. Explain

2020-11-28 00:02:25 UTC  

Because He made the rules that allows for that to be observed

2020-11-28 00:02:43 UTC  

Stop acting all "agree to disagree" because you're stubborn

2020-11-28 00:02:55 UTC  

God wound the clock, and the clock ticks accordingly

2020-11-28 00:02:58 UTC  

im arguing with too many people 😄

2020-11-28 00:03:02 UTC  

Thanks guys.

2020-11-28 00:03:04 UTC  

Lol

2020-11-28 00:03:12 UTC  

"Has to come" is worded very wrongly here. Morality *necessarily* is a consequence by virtue of God's existence. Only because He exists that you may have a sense of morality.

2020-11-28 00:03:28 UTC  

"Thanks guys" For what? You ignored all our points and we got nowhere.

2020-11-28 00:04:48 UTC  

Alright guys I gtg, will be back in few hrs. Remember don't be toxic. Have a healthy discussion!!!

2020-11-28 00:04:55 UTC  

Yeah yeah ok

2020-11-28 00:05:03 UTC  

We get it you're being passive

2020-11-28 00:05:46 UTC  

Oh boy essays incoming

2020-11-28 00:06:06 UTC  

God is simply, the Ultimate Standard of intelligible experience (knowledge, morality, laws of logic, you name it). Without His existence as a standard that provides the preconditions of said experiences, you, as the unbeliever, cannot come to grasp any sense of experience. The fact that you can do so, proves that the biblical God exists. For in Him we move and have our being.

2020-11-28 00:06:48 UTC  

That makes sense smash