Message from @DeButcher
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If God is creator of the universe then yes he is the source
Nuro acted like I was gonna be toxic
A humans right to life is granted not by a god but simply by having sentience. We know pain, and to inflict pain is wrong.
god doesnt need to tell us that.
https://www.proginosko.com/docs/knowledge_and_theism.html
This coupled with the historicity of the Resurrection of Jesus.
thats my standing
Yes He does
He made the World so of course He does lol
But how do u know it wrong.
@Smash Boy And by foundation I'm sure you mean more so the context as to why certain rules were laid forth by revelation, aye?
You know its wrong to hurt others because you know what pain is.
That's how I interpreted you at the meaar
Sentience is what does that.
mirror neurons
And its painful because of how God made us, and we know it's wrong because of what He told us
You miss the point. You once again cannot provide an ontological grounds for which you condemn that which you label as 'wrong' apart from the biblical worldview. It is wrong to murder because we have innate knowledge of God which has instill a value to value and respect image bearers which we are equal to as humans and disrespecting that is a violation of that value.
If you needed a god to tell you thats wrong, well... maybe they did back then.
i value humans not because god told me to, but because i value myself.
God doesn't need to "tell us", He writes that down in our core of our being and we act in that way.
God makes the Universe.
God sets the rules for the Universe.
All in the Universe reflects those rules.
Snobbish monkey 10 epochs later attributes it to pure chance.
none of what you guys think comes from god " has " to come from god objectively.
I understand we will not agree here
thats fine.
No it does
That is vicious circular reasoning. You cannot ground morality solely by your decree to arbitrarily value yourself.
What do you mean. Explain
Because He made the rules that allows for that to be observed
Stop acting all "agree to disagree" because you're stubborn
God wound the clock, and the clock ticks accordingly
im arguing with too many people 😄
Thanks guys.
Lol
"Has to come" is worded very wrongly here. Morality *necessarily* is a consequence by virtue of God's existence. Only because He exists that you may have a sense of morality.
"Thanks guys" For what? You ignored all our points and we got nowhere.
Alright guys I gtg, will be back in few hrs. Remember don't be toxic. Have a healthy discussion!!!
Yeah yeah ok
We get it you're being passive
Oh boy essays incoming
God is simply, the Ultimate Standard of intelligible experience (knowledge, morality, laws of logic, you name it). Without His existence as a standard that provides the preconditions of said experiences, you, as the unbeliever, cannot come to grasp any sense of experience. The fact that you can do so, proves that the biblical God exists. For in Him we move and have our being.
That makes sense smash