"Has to come" is worded very wrongly here. Morality *necessarily* is a consequence by virtue of God's existence. Only because He exists that you may have a sense of morality.

"Thanks guys" For what? You ignored all our points and we got nowhere.

Alright guys I gtg, will be back in few hrs. Remember don't be toxic. Have a healthy discussion!!!

Yeah yeah ok

We get it you're being passive

Oh boy essays incoming

God is simply, the Ultimate Standard of intelligible experience (knowledge, morality, laws of logic, you name it). Without His existence as a standard that provides the preconditions of said experiences, you, as the unbeliever, cannot come to grasp any sense of experience. The fact that you can do so, proves that the biblical God exists. For in Him we move and have our being.

That makes sense smash

but tying that in to a religion doesnt.

Now he's acting understanding

So what if a group of people or nation unanimously decided that murder and such is ok? Is that still wrong if they’re all ok with it?

There needs to be an objective moral standard to say it’s wrong, which is impossible without God

Oh nevermind

God can be separate from religion.

Bruh

What

"The object of a religion can be separate from a religion"

"creator" if you will

"The creator of everything can be separate from the institution of its worship"

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Except it does work. Greg Bahnsen literally disproved all other religions under this transcendental criteria. The biblical God has the transcendental criteria necessary to be the Ultimate Standard of all experiences because of His nature revealed in Scripture. Allah, Brahman, any other non-Christian quasi-divine entity, cannot provide said preconditions. The nature they reveal and the worldview from which they assert themselves to provide cannot provide those preconditions, thus by the fact we can experience said preconditions alone disproves the not-Christian worldviews.

im leaving now though, seriously.

lol

Good

I’m not religious, religion can be corrupted by man.
That’s another thing that’s supposed to be different about Christianity, Christians are supposed to have a relationship with Christ

I urge for the one day someone actually listens to what people have to say in this channel

Wait

Then what are you doing here

Not if it's from the biblical God. I understand you take this from Jordan Peterson, but Jordan Peterson is simply incorrect and is not philosophically well read on these issues and his epistemology reduces to absurdity when examined in more depth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic0EOPujPKU
For how TAG fares against other religious worldviews.

@Nuro In regards to you asserting that "sentience" gives a right to life. Equality is a false god. A zebra is prey. Just as much as a lion is a predator. We humans live by breeding and killing millions of animals. This can be justified by "Society flourishes because of it". If sentience gives the right to life, my rights would take greater precedence than the rights of a mental invalid. With that Central belief, you get an ethic that justifies, even celebrates, the killing of those who society, or more likely politicians, deems a drain. If the value is placed upon protecting kin, you may in turn create a racialist ethic that puts the lives of family and one's "People" over the well-being of non-kin. I apologise for this rather long-winded message, I simply wished to share why I am very guarded when people state that one can be a "good" person without religion. Subjectivism has always got my hackles raised.

Religion defined and restricted outside biblical parameters; yes, it will inevitably corrupt man, because man is being conditioned by a system that is apart from Jesus Christ.

That’s why it was the religious ones that accused Jesus and got Him sentenced to death

Any value that presupposes neutrality and autonomous reasoning inevitably falls to absurdity and vicious circular reasoning.

They left God for man controlled religion

I know some of you wished to go a more step by step, classical approach, but I go staright to the interlocutor's epistemic and ontological foundations that define their entire argument.

Read some Greg Bahnsen and Cornelius Van Til, they will be eye openers. Or read some apologists like James Anderson and Jason Lisle.

The Pharasees were far too content with Rome giving them a very loose leash in regards to the Jews in Judea. Jesus was an obstacle to them as he called out their bs. So they killed him.@CoolGuard

https://www.proginosko.com/docs/knowledge_and_theism.html
Laying this out here for those that missed it.

Thanks. Much appreciated.

It's pretty heavy in philosophical vocabulary but it's very insightful.

I've listened to works by C.S. Lewis. They helped me when I going through a rough time.