Interesting.

Yes, which is why I can see both perspectives far better than most.

It's less academic and more personal if you know what I mean

Both doctrines aren't simply words on a page I've seen them with my own eyes, I've heard them

I listened to a message online today about living selflessly. What are your thoughts on being selfless but keeping a balanced life. And how would that apply to your views on universal healthcare?

Universal healthcare is a government mandate. I stress the word *mandate*. I should be afforded the opportunity of choosing to help my fellow man, I should not be forced into it. If I gave up one of my kidneys to save a father of three, I'd be celebrated as a hero as I ought to be. if the government decided that my own personal convenience was worthy of being sacrificed so they could save one of their taxpayers, it would be tyranny.

I meant to put the word convenience in parentheses

They will determine it as a convenience on my part and not as an imposition

Agreed, I don't support it. But it really just got me thinking about what I shoukd be doing. Also the subject of universal healthcare gets brought up frequently in nursing school

I've personally seen how absolutely toxic low-income healthcare subsidized by taxpayers is. I'd rather not subject the rest of the country to it.

If Christianity didn't start with Peter and the Apostles then all Christianity is false as it has no structure or origin that can have any claim to teaching authority.

Jesus said to go make believers of all men, that upon this rock (Peter) I will build my church. Binding and loosing, forgiving sins, baptizing, those who reject you reject Me, etc.

Also, if Peter didn't have the authority of the Pope then that means we need to still be practicing the bulk of Jewish law as Jesus himself did not abolish it.
How many Christians follow ALL of the laws from the Old Testament? It is the Catholic church that decided which things were still binding and which were not.

It was the church that complied with the Bible, changed dietary restrictions, and taught believers what things were true and what things were false.

You cannot hold the Bible to be true without leaning of the Authority of the Catholic church which authoritatively declared it as such.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqLBeCmyaKY -Did the Emperor Constantine found the Catholic Church?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWR2fnRw2Eo - Why Should I Be Catholic?

If it's offered as a cheap alternative for individuals that can't afford it, they'll simply tank the prices in order to defeat their competition, in this case the Private health sector, absolutely Rockefeller in nature.

The cornering of the market then lowering their standards

You can still hold the Bible to be true without the authority of the Catholic Church because yes they are the oldest denomination but the authority of the Bible has never come from the Catholic Church, rather it has come from the apostles including Paul, and Jesus.

On making the comment about it being "the oldest", I was using that as an example of how certain atheists like to paint it, "if there's such an argument about Christian doctrine with the oldest one in comparison to new ones, how can any of it be trusted", I was quoting a talking point that I don't share.

@Danos Dawn Dachshund christianity didn't start with peter, it started with Christ

"rather it has come from the apostles including Paul, and Jesus."- who were the leaders of the Catholic church. And the Bible was compiled long after them. There were many different writings and it was the Church who decided which writings were Canon and which were not and declared that the Bible was the word of God.

Correct. Jesus created the Catholic church by instituting Peter as the first Pope.

No he didnt

Jesus hated religion

Yes the Catholic Church did play a huge role in this

No I didn't try...he actually hated religion

Catholicism is just another version of Judaism

Matthew 23

Anyways

Giving to much power to one man(pope)

No, he literally did not. Go read the scriptures. Go read early Christain history.

Religion is man-made

The Pope has very little power. And God created religion.

Christianity is technically not a religion because it was not made by man

@Danos Dawn Dachshund I legit just showed you scripture

Have a relationship with Christ

The whole chapter

8 “Don’t let anyone call you ‘Rabbi,’ for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters.[d] 9 And don’t address anyone here on earth as ‘Father,’ for only God in heaven is your Father. 10 And don’t let anyone call you ‘Teacher,’ for you have only one teacher, the Messiah. 11 The greatest among you must be a servant. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

13 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either.[e]

^ is legit talking about saying others won't go into heaven

But again

This isn't for debate

This channel is for discussing not debating.

I can understand the reasoning to some degree of why they have a pope. to act in some manner as an impartial judge to ensure that different actions of churches and different regions are not painting scripture with cultural preference in those regions.