"jesus" was born and lived a sinless life-- not mary.. giving credit to mary for not sinning and placing her as mother of god. .is ridiculous

no prob

i gtg anyways

cya, thanks! il lread your answer if it is still ehre tomorrow

How did they know that marry never sinned after?

cuz she jsut didnt..ok. church says so

“Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’
Luke 16:24‭-‬26
Proof of no Purgatory

Also proof you can't pray for the dead

I don’t agree that that is proof of no purgatory

I also disagree with your second statement. I pray for those in purgatory often

It literally says those who want to pass from here can not

God has justice, and some do go to hell, but those with faith in death have a chance to be saved, even though they may not have had the chance to be washed of sin before death. Purgatory is that opportunity for those who wish to be saved who have sinned greatly

You have to have faith before you die

It’s got to be more like loving Jesus rather than checking boxes off

It is loving God and repenting. But if you repent after being a serial killer versus repenting after being a mom who yelled at her kids, purgatory is a chance for us to be cleansed of those sins as God sees fit before bestowing his mercy

Ok what did the verse above saying then?

So your saying your not completely saved from your sins when you are saved?

Once saved, always saved is a wrong teaching

Another reason for purgatory does not exist "And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,"
Hebrews 9:27

Help me understand this one

After you die God judge you so there is no purgatory to atone for your sins.

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Ephesians 2:8‭-‬9

So it’s not about atonement as much as purification. God saves you, but you must be purified before entering heaven. That happens in purgatory

You don’t have to be perfect to be saved

What?! You get purified on earth by being baptized by water and spirit

But between your baptism and your death you are umpire because of sin

God's grace is forgiveness why then did he send his son to earth you're basically saying Jesus didn't forgive all your sins

And his death on the cross was meaningless

I’m just gonna agree to disagree here. I’m not doing a good job of defending my view and I don’t know how to explain it better right now and frankly I need to go to bed

Sleep on it then and maybe you can explain better because I battled a catholic discord and left some questioning

Yes

Of courses they can

All popes have been corrupted

She just happened to fit the criteria, young, from family of King David etc

If purgatory exist then do whatever the hell you want in this life and fix it in purgatory and then go to heaven. So what you do in this earth really doesn't matter.

You have one life so what you do in this earth matters. When you die God is going to judge you. God is showing his to people right now. Ask for forgiveness and be saved

It does thats why purgatory doesn't even exist

Your judge by God after you died

And don’t forget to leave out that she was humble, and willing and related to Elizabeth (mother of John the Baptist)

so many differences, but can we agree that we should obey the commandments and beatitutudes given to us and have faith ? or no?

If my memory is any good the notion of purgatory is originally from Dante's Inferno. It's been a while for me since I studied it though.