i think women are just naturally better at closely raising children than men

Biological imperative? @Sugar Goat Women in the west have got less happy as they have become more "free" as freedom to do what thou wilt is not consequent free, and does not bring happiness.

I can, too. Leftism is death for individuality.

Oh and what's in it for her is 1/2 of all assets in the case of divorce xD

and we all agree that leftism is bad, we just are confused on why you are trying to lump in atheism with leftism, that's all

women have to pay men alimoney too, yknow

(playing devils advocate btw) hahaha

You have NO clue what you are talking about, Rational guy. Women will always choose singleness over mistreatment if they have that option.

errr i would hope so, but that doesnt seem to be the case a lot of times...

Unless you plan to go full sharia, secularism means the literal death of the west.

my ex was a horrible dude. with him for 2 years till enough was enough and left him. been wayy happier without him

But in most cases the primary bread winner is the man

And if you do go full sharia, the left may as well have won.

So I really do understand why women would expect half when divorcing

what's wrong with secularism? people can be what religion they want and still hold right-wing values

If I could tell three jokes to make people mad, sad, and laugh at the same time, it'd be my life's worth, the worth of normal peoples' lives, and the natural fight to not grow up

The next generation won't.

Because if the man goes out to work and builds a life for everyone, the woman has nothing under her other than what her husband did

So

I mean

marriage is suppose to be a lifelong commitment. if you're not willing to work through the problems then don't get married

What do you expect her to do in that situation?

You can do that for one generation before the cognitive dissonance gets out of hand.

Sugar Goat, you are really sounding like a hardcore right-authoritarian, who is interested in promoting the goals of one religion

@Meryl.140.15 agreed but perfectionism is impossible aint it

People gon' fuck up real good

don't have to be perfect

thats why i support traditional marriage, as an atheist, but i acknowledge that it isnt as possible or as effective as it used to be, or should be....

you do if you KNOW when you should get married to someone

> You have NO clue what you are talking about, Rational guy. Women will always choose singleness over mistreatment if they have that option.
@Sugar Goat Abuse had nothing to do with the question you asked. You asked what is the benefit to a woman of being the "happy home maker" not, what is the benefit for a woman who gets the snot beaten out of her by a psycho.

Why should I choose not to be selfish and live only for my fleeting happy high? I'll be conservative if it gets me the society I would be happy to live in. I'll be a leftist if it doesn't.

People change, marriages shift. And sadly we have created a society that a LOVES irresponsibility

im hesitant to get married in the future seeing how some people in my life have had their lives ruined by people they thought they would be together forever with. role models of mine.

So I agree, But I cannot expect everyone to follow that

But no, people can be non-religious and still be conservative, I don't get what point you are trying to make @Sugar Goat

@Deleted User lol physical abuse isn't the only kind of mistreatment

Okay but FUCK the dating scene right now

especially for conservatives

> Look, Tyler. If you're not honored to have my sister, Jill, and I on your skype server, then you ain't black.
@Deleted User I knew this was the real Joe Biden!

freakin YIKES out there

Yes, but that is still not the question you asked.