If Chicago wasn't so damned blue and there wasn't so much fraud (I'm not talking about the 2020 election) Illinois would be red

Nobody was even talking about gerrymandering to begin with

Just nuke Chicago, problem solved

not big brain. You know Matt Braynard? He was the one that introduced me to gerrymandering (being one himself)

Idk who that is

Gerrymandering is done by any political party in power.

It was in the article I first posted amongst other things beside ID laws, you chose to focus on ID laws @Mcgoober

google him

Ok

CGP Grey introduced me to it.

well

sort of

I knew about it before

but he explained it in a way I understood

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again. gerrymandering is done by BOTH sides of the parties.

Again I never claimed otherwise @isoboto

CGP Grey is awesome. i like him a lot

You trying to start shit with me?

Bottom line is if ur so dumb you can't figure out how to get an id of some kind you shouldn't be voting anyways

And yes even those poor oppressed minorities down here can afford the $15 id fee thingy

Bottom line is if you don't know what gerrymandering is maybe you're not in a position to say voter suppression doesnt exist

<:KEK:726877368601411624> I never thought I'd be supporting something McG says

He literally lives in the South.

Cool

I am very certain he knows what goes on there.

So the south has voter suppression?

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I'll actually somewhat agree with this. It shows a degree of ignorance to the actual problem when you aren't familiar with issues like Gerrymandering

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lol
>"not enough minorities have voter IDs"
>"thus we should abolish voter IDs and make the voting process less secured"

Ok i apologize fornthe cardinal sin of not knowing the definition of a word

@VulpesVulpes I like you, idk your political beliefs but you're pragmatic and I respect that

I'm rightwing, but I have a high degree of apathy and contempt for humanity, so It makes me come off more like a centerist. Usually.

It's either being pragmatic or having your head in the clouds

@isoboto Vulpes and I said that IDs should be free and not require a trip to the DMV, I dont see how thats undermining voter ID laws and making voting less secure?

sure, that's somewhere to start with

I hate the dmv as much as the next guy but if u cannot afford a $15 id you have much bigger issues than not being able to vote

For instance, I think you're right, citizens who don't have ID's and thus are not allowed to vote is a problem, even if it's a small one, so the obvious solution is making ID cards universal. It also solves issues that we have in Social Security being used as a pseudo ID card

It's not about the price, it's also about the time spent doing that