Message from @Dat_One_Boi_With_Big_Brain 187
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Im pretty sure that. Libertarianism was a term adopted by classical liberals once statists started utilizing the term 'liberal'
Disagree with that definition of individualism.
"Libertarianism originated as a form of left-wing politics such as anti-authoritarian and anti-state socialists like anarchists,[6] especially social anarchists,[7] but more generally libertarian communists/Marxists and libertarian socialists.[8][9] These libertarians seek to abolish capitalism and private ownership of the means of production, or else to restrict their purview or effects to usufruct property norms, in favor of common or cooperative ownership and management, viewing private property as a barrier to freedom and liberty.[10][11][12][13]"
Sorry about the bad format
But yeah it's from leftist anarchism
I'm a classical libertarian
It was adopted by capitalists later
Ok. But, Libertarian, is the term It is ***now***.
Still used by socialists mostly in non-english countries
Libertarianism as capitalism is unique to English speakers
Also I dont see How you can be pro Liberty, yet, abolish capitalism and use coercion to have others avoid from bartering for goods and services?
Because the social construct of ownership is inherently coercive
Gross.
It's true
Example:
You wash up on an island, the island is full of berry bushes
These berry bushes are owned by someone, but if you do not eat them you will die
From starvation
In this way, you are forced to die to respect their property
You can only own what you can defend.
Exactly, you only own what you can defend through coercive violence.
Thing is. We are within a society where you are able to acquire a good, voluntarily, according to your demand. Specially with how globalized the world is.
Though...by trying to steal. You are starting coercion.
Your sense of 'coercion' is merely self defense.
Stealing presupposes property
You're basically putting forward a modified Heinz Dilemma
Doesn't justify It.
And saying that it's moral to steal the drug.
If it is this or die, then you are coerced into action.
The only reason scarcity exists in nature is because of original sin, and humanity transgressing the perfect law of God.
So coercion is part of the curse of Genesis.
We are compelled to deal with it by Natural Law.
People, want to assure ownership of things. So they can take Care of it, and be able to organize their belongings appropriatelly, and often, be able to invest their time in It.
When you want to 'repurpose' someone's property because ***you*** think It should be used for something else. You better expect consequences.
The God is being coercive and unjust. If God were moral they would rectify. Failing that, we should rectify it.
God is moral, which is why he cursed us and forces us to toil in order to survive.
```For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.```2 Thessalonians 3:10
Or abolish the social construct of property, share resources as needed to make the best possible society. No need to presuppose ownership.
Abolish it...how, If not through coercion.
How do you abolish, a concept?