Message from @Sketchup

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2021-01-06 00:22:07 UTC  

And to enforce contracts.

2021-01-06 00:22:17 UTC  

Wait

2021-01-06 00:22:25 UTC  

If you want a state you're a liberal?

2021-01-06 00:22:36 UTC  

This is the purpose of the state in liberalism too

2021-01-06 00:22:54 UTC  

Well market liberalism anyway

2021-01-06 00:22:57 UTC  

That's. More like *classical* liberalism.

2021-01-06 00:23:02 UTC  

Ye

2021-01-06 00:23:05 UTC  

Not anarchism

2021-01-06 00:23:10 UTC  

Which, is much more, like libertarianism.

2021-01-06 00:23:28 UTC  

Libertarianism is a socialist thing though, originally

2021-01-06 00:23:45 UTC  

What

2021-01-06 00:23:45 UTC  

Errr....not sure about that, but.

2021-01-06 00:23:52 UTC  

Capitalist Libertarians are pretty unique to English actually

2021-01-06 00:23:53 UTC  

Libertarianism is a form of liberalism

2021-01-06 00:23:57 UTC  

what type of crack are you smoking

2021-01-06 00:24:01 UTC  

You know what libertarianism i am talking about.

2021-01-06 00:24:04 UTC  

If there were an individualism role I'd assign that to myself. As far right and as far libertarian as possible.

2021-01-06 00:24:17 UTC  

No like libertarianism the label started off as a socialist label

2021-01-06 00:24:38 UTC  

Individualism can be leftist as well, I'm an individualist

2021-01-06 00:24:50 UTC  

Im pretty sure that. Libertarianism was a term adopted by classical liberals once statists started utilizing the term 'liberal'

2021-01-06 00:25:01 UTC  

Disagree with that definition of individualism.

2021-01-06 00:25:37 UTC  

"Libertarianism originated as a form of left-wing politics such as anti-authoritarian and anti-state socialists like anarchists,[6] especially social anarchists,[7] but more generally libertarian communists/Marxists and libertarian socialists.[8][9] These libertarians seek to abolish capitalism and private ownership of the means of production, or else to restrict their purview or effects to usufruct property norms, in favor of common or cooperative ownership and management, viewing private property as a barrier to freedom and liberty.[10][11][12][13]"

2021-01-06 00:25:54 UTC  

Sorry about the bad format

2021-01-06 00:26:05 UTC  

But yeah it's from leftist anarchism

2021-01-06 00:26:20 UTC  

I'm a classical libertarian

2021-01-06 00:26:41 UTC  

It was adopted by capitalists later

2021-01-06 00:26:47 UTC  

Ok. But, Libertarian, is the term It is ***now***.

2021-01-06 00:27:04 UTC  

Still used by socialists mostly in non-english countries

2021-01-06 00:27:20 UTC  

Libertarianism as capitalism is unique to English speakers

2021-01-06 00:27:49 UTC  

Also I dont see How you can be pro Liberty, yet, abolish capitalism and use coercion to have others avoid from bartering for goods and services?

2021-01-06 00:28:13 UTC  

Because the social construct of ownership is inherently coercive

2021-01-06 00:28:25 UTC  

Gross.

2021-01-06 00:28:34 UTC  

It's true

2021-01-06 00:28:43 UTC  

Example:

2021-01-06 00:29:03 UTC  

You wash up on an island, the island is full of berry bushes

2021-01-06 00:29:23 UTC  

These berry bushes are owned by someone, but if you do not eat them you will die

2021-01-06 00:29:32 UTC  

From starvation

2021-01-06 00:29:46 UTC  

In this way, you are forced to die to respect their property

2021-01-06 00:29:54 UTC  

You can only own what you can defend.

2021-01-06 00:30:06 UTC  

Honestly sounds like a personal problem

2021-01-06 00:30:17 UTC  

Exactly, you only own what you can defend through coercive violence.