Message from @Sketchup

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2021-01-06 00:35:13 UTC  

Abolish it...how, If not through coercion.

2021-01-06 00:35:34 UTC  

How do you abolish, a concept?

2021-01-06 00:35:41 UTC  

That comes from human nature?

2021-01-06 00:35:54 UTC  

Forcing someone to experience constant pain and struggle against their will is immoral full stop. God is no exception.

2021-01-06 00:36:05 UTC  

You honestly think that could work? You overestimate humanity

2021-01-06 00:36:13 UTC  

Justice is never immoral.

2021-01-06 00:37:09 UTC  

An example of how you can't abolish concepts, is homosexuality itself.
It exists ever since the ancient greek era, or so archives say. An era that was thousands of years ago.

2021-01-06 00:37:15 UTC  

Ownership is enforced through coercion though. If we must use coercion once to fix the system rather than always use coercion to enforce a bad system I will choose the latter.

2021-01-06 00:37:33 UTC  

Ownership is a social construct, homosexuality is not

2021-01-06 00:37:43 UTC  

It can be, yes

2021-01-06 00:37:58 UTC  

We transgressed God's perfect law by eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, which forced us to depart from our perfect creator and experience things like famine, natural disasters, pestilence, and hardship.

2021-01-06 00:38:36 UTC  

Ownership is found even within other species. Like birds that get teritorrial over their nests, or felines.
**Oh look at that! Same narrative is found about homosexuality.**

2021-01-06 00:38:58 UTC  

I don't think the law as outlined in the Bible is perfect. I think this law is unjust.

2021-01-06 00:39:24 UTC  

We shouldn't look towards the animal kingdom for advice on how to live as humans, lest we become like animals ourselves.

2021-01-06 00:39:29 UTC  

Which part? The part about there being consequences for actions?

2021-01-06 00:39:38 UTC  

You don't have the moral authority to make such a determination.

2021-01-06 00:39:42 UTC  

Personal property I'm not against y'know. *Possession* is fine. Systemic ownership of necessities* is not.

2021-01-06 00:40:03 UTC  

Says who? God? Who gave them the moral authority?

2021-01-06 00:40:18 UTC  

"Systemic Ownership of Necessites"
Are you implying- ***a group of people, hoard specific kinds of goods?***

2021-01-06 00:40:20 UTC  

No, lol.

2021-01-06 00:40:28 UTC  

All authority comes from God because he's the beginning and the end.

2021-01-06 00:40:41 UTC  

```“Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.”
```

2021-01-06 00:40:52 UTC  

Well which part of the Bible's laws are you against

2021-01-06 00:40:59 UTC  

Rather than give necessities to those who need them, yes.

2021-01-06 00:41:17 UTC  

You're aware that. Through capitalism, said goods are possible to be bartered for, voluntarily. **When there isn't a government force interfering.**

2021-01-06 00:41:40 UTC  

Aren't Capitalists always seeking profit? They do. By selling goods, to the public.

2021-01-06 00:41:50 UTC  

Quite a few, I mean the first commandment alone is p cringe ngl.

2021-01-06 00:42:01 UTC  

As written by a mortal

2021-01-06 00:42:24 UTC  

So it is mortals who have given God this authority.

2021-01-06 00:43:01 UTC  

The written text is inspired by God, and so you have to follow the causal chain up to the top.

2021-01-06 00:43:15 UTC  

***And so did the brain give itself highest importance*** <:cursedflushed:717441837962625054>

2021-01-06 00:43:17 UTC  

As claimed so by mortals

2021-01-06 00:43:35 UTC  

As is the case with everything true.

2021-01-06 00:43:58 UTC  

And so, humans have given God with authority, true or otherwise

2021-01-06 00:44:12 UTC  

Not having a false God?

2021-01-06 00:44:18 UTC  

Humans could simply be incorrect and not give God this authority

2021-01-06 00:44:26 UTC  

Hasty assumption, predicated on God not existing, a theory which is debunked by the resurrection.

2021-01-06 00:44:37 UTC  

Yeah pretty cringe, someone should have false gods if they wanna.

2021-01-06 00:44:51 UTC  

I can't tell if you're trolling or not

2021-01-06 00:45:14 UTC  

Isn't a religion's purpose, to seek itself to be the highest reason?

2021-01-06 00:45:40 UTC  

No, even if we presuppose God is real I don't see why people should be disallowed from worshipping false gods.