Message from @Sketchup

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2021-01-06 00:30:52 UTC  

Your sense of 'coercion' is merely self defense.

2021-01-06 00:31:00 UTC  

Stealing presupposes property

2021-01-06 00:31:14 UTC  

You're basically putting forward a modified Heinz Dilemma

2021-01-06 00:31:18 UTC  

Doesn't justify It.

2021-01-06 00:31:19 UTC  

And saying that it's moral to steal the drug.

2021-01-06 00:31:46 UTC  

If it is this or die, then you are coerced into action.

2021-01-06 00:32:29 UTC  

The only reason scarcity exists in nature is because of original sin, and humanity transgressing the perfect law of God.

2021-01-06 00:32:44 UTC  

So coercion is part of the curse of Genesis.

2021-01-06 00:32:57 UTC  

We are compelled to deal with it by Natural Law.

2021-01-06 00:32:58 UTC  

People, want to assure ownership of things. So they can take Care of it, and be able to organize their belongings appropriatelly, and often, be able to invest their time in It.

When you want to 'repurpose' someone's property because ***you*** think It should be used for something else. You better expect consequences.

2021-01-06 00:33:32 UTC  

The God is being coercive and unjust. If God were moral they would rectify. Failing that, we should rectify it.

2021-01-06 00:34:03 UTC  

God is moral, which is why he cursed us and forces us to toil in order to survive.

2021-01-06 00:34:03 UTC  

GG @Sketchup, you just advanced to level 2!

2021-01-06 00:34:28 UTC  

```For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.```2 Thessalonians 3:10

2021-01-06 00:34:53 UTC  

Or abolish the social construct of property, share resources as needed to make the best possible society. No need to presuppose ownership.

2021-01-06 00:35:13 UTC  

Abolish it...how, If not through coercion.

2021-01-06 00:35:34 UTC  

How do you abolish, a concept?

2021-01-06 00:35:41 UTC  

That comes from human nature?

2021-01-06 00:35:54 UTC  

Forcing someone to experience constant pain and struggle against their will is immoral full stop. God is no exception.

2021-01-06 00:36:05 UTC  

You honestly think that could work? You overestimate humanity

2021-01-06 00:36:13 UTC  

Justice is never immoral.

2021-01-06 00:37:09 UTC  

An example of how you can't abolish concepts, is homosexuality itself.
It exists ever since the ancient greek era, or so archives say. An era that was thousands of years ago.

2021-01-06 00:37:15 UTC  

Ownership is enforced through coercion though. If we must use coercion once to fix the system rather than always use coercion to enforce a bad system I will choose the latter.

2021-01-06 00:37:33 UTC  

Ownership is a social construct, homosexuality is not

2021-01-06 00:37:43 UTC  

It can be, yes

2021-01-06 00:37:58 UTC  

We transgressed God's perfect law by eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, which forced us to depart from our perfect creator and experience things like famine, natural disasters, pestilence, and hardship.

2021-01-06 00:38:36 UTC  

Ownership is found even within other species. Like birds that get teritorrial over their nests, or felines.
**Oh look at that! Same narrative is found about homosexuality.**

2021-01-06 00:38:58 UTC  

I don't think the law as outlined in the Bible is perfect. I think this law is unjust.

2021-01-06 00:39:24 UTC  

We shouldn't look towards the animal kingdom for advice on how to live as humans, lest we become like animals ourselves.

2021-01-06 00:39:29 UTC  

Which part? The part about there being consequences for actions?

2021-01-06 00:39:38 UTC  

You don't have the moral authority to make such a determination.

2021-01-06 00:39:42 UTC  

Personal property I'm not against y'know. *Possession* is fine. Systemic ownership of necessities* is not.

2021-01-06 00:40:03 UTC  

Says who? God? Who gave them the moral authority?

2021-01-06 00:40:18 UTC  

"Systemic Ownership of Necessites"
Are you implying- ***a group of people, hoard specific kinds of goods?***

2021-01-06 00:40:20 UTC  

No, lol.

2021-01-06 00:40:28 UTC  

All authority comes from God because he's the beginning and the end.

2021-01-06 00:40:41 UTC  

```“Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.”
```

2021-01-06 00:40:52 UTC  

Well which part of the Bible's laws are you against

2021-01-06 00:40:59 UTC  

Rather than give necessities to those who need them, yes.

2021-01-06 00:41:17 UTC  

You're aware that. Through capitalism, said goods are possible to be bartered for, voluntarily. **When there isn't a government force interfering.**

2021-01-06 00:41:40 UTC  

Aren't Capitalists always seeking profit? They do. By selling goods, to the public.