This....is such an oxymoron.

Lol, co-ops btfo

Syndicalism who?

Anarchism where?

Isn’t that unions?

That's... Yes and mostly no?

Imagine thinking worker ownership and state ownership are the same lol

Didn't realize I was talking to an ML

Fundamentally, you're conflating socialism with economic totalitarianism @Gbyws

Many socialists would argue economic totalitarianism qualifies as socialism if the state is beholden to the people

***I disagree***

I want economic democracy, a economy owned and operated by the workers who use them for the benefit of these workers.

Not by the state, which is by definition detached from the workers.

I'm an anarchist, I wish to abolish the state, why would I make it **more powerful** by letting it own the economic means of production?

State doesn’t own production

Ok...but you want coercion to be used to force private property from the hands of everyone and forcefully redistribute It under the rule of the people.

Tell me how this is moral and a state isn't?

but, uh at least you attempted something there

It does for nationalized industry, yes

uh huh

Who owns the NHS Bleach?

For the same reason seizing power from monarchs by force to establish democracy is moral.

***Ew. Democracy.***

Is democracy preferable not to monarchy?

NHS is a government agency but what does that have to do with anything

What kind of coercion exactly. Are business owners inacting upon others?

Isnt free healthcare something you lefties love so much

Do they force people to Join them? Do they utilize of violence to sell their products?

The NHS is owned by the state, which is why the UK government is considering sell it. Kinda hard to sell something you don't own.

They can (and do) forcibly deny access to necessities that others require. And extort things from them in exchange for these necessities

Are you aware, extortion is **the forced Appropriation of something, in exchange of other.**

Where is the force, on a trade.

The force is the threat of death if you do not

?

What?

I find it absolutely hilarious that you call me vile while you sit there and ponder if a certain group of people is mentally disabled and should thusly lose their human rights.

GG @Hellishfish, you just advanced to level 8!

Starvation is just as lethal as a gun, is it not?

What kinda clerks in your city you have that threaten your life If you don't want to pay?

Why do you commies always argue that every current system is coercive through starvation

@Signia you starve under any system

And its very fücking hard to starve currently