Message from @Syllogistic

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2021-01-06 01:28:26 UTC  

This system can exist even if necessities are public goods

2021-01-06 01:29:05 UTC  

I'm not against a market for luxuries between now and when automation can provide for a post-scarcity society.

2021-01-06 01:30:19 UTC  

Just if economic governmentation must exist, which is what a business is, it ought to be made in democratic fashion

2021-01-06 01:30:33 UTC  

Post-scarcity is a fantasy

2021-01-06 01:31:04 UTC  

Perhaps, and if such then my plans for systems after a democratic market will simply have to rest

2021-01-06 01:31:16 UTC  

But I don't believe this to be meaningfully the case

2021-01-06 01:31:52 UTC  

The end goal is malleable to reality, and if impossible then other plans will be made.

2021-01-06 01:32:32 UTC  

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2021-01-06 01:34:10 UTC  

And you think anarchist capitalism would not deteriorate into neofeudalism so

2021-01-06 01:34:32 UTC  

I still. Dont understand that argument.

2021-01-06 01:35:35 UTC  

Power breeds power. Capital breeds capital. Coercion and monopolize thereof, and encouraged by the way the market demands growth and the effectiveness of monopoly

2021-01-06 01:36:07 UTC  

Eventually a business too will attempt to make itself be the only possible option just as the state does

2021-01-06 01:36:18 UTC  

Monopolization. Only happens in such immediate way, through Government intervention.

2021-01-06 01:36:36 UTC  

Businesses are goverment

2021-01-06 01:36:49 UTC  

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2021-01-06 01:37:00 UTC  

They dont enact force upon you.

2021-01-06 01:37:06 UTC  

And you Join It voluntarily.

2021-01-06 01:37:24 UTC  

A government simply establishes itself as rule, and fuck all.

2021-01-06 01:37:44 UTC  

Government can be voluntary you doof

2021-01-06 01:37:46 UTC  

Yea the bread shop owned by a 70 year old man is the government

2021-01-06 01:37:57 UTC  

and the moon is the sun

2021-01-06 01:38:03 UTC  

*a government

2021-01-06 01:38:08 UTC  

Not THE government

2021-01-06 01:38:11 UTC  

its still isn’t

2021-01-06 01:38:34 UTC  

"conduct the policy, actions, and affairs of (an organization or people)."

2021-01-06 01:38:43 UTC  

Businesses literally do this

2021-01-06 01:38:55 UTC  

Dont Tell me. You think private ownership upon a space, and employing voluntary employees to take functions into it = Government

2021-01-06 01:38:56 UTC  

They govern

2021-01-06 01:39:13 UTC  

Cause they own places that require people to manage

2021-01-06 01:39:32 UTC  

To be a government, you need....a force, to be able to coerce others.

2021-01-06 01:39:33 UTC  

If it makes collective decisions for others it governs. Thus is government.

2021-01-06 01:39:40 UTC  

these policies are largely interchangeable with the government are flat out created by them

2021-01-06 01:39:48 UTC  

No you can govern in a voluntary fashion

2021-01-06 01:40:11 UTC  

It's not governing. Though.

2021-01-06 01:40:11 UTC  

Yea good thing you signed legal papers for employment called W-4

2021-01-06 01:40:18 UTC  

Those people, chose to be under your command.

2021-01-06 01:40:33 UTC  

So is a consensus state not a goverment?

2021-01-06 01:40:35 UTC  

Let's say

2021-01-06 01:40:45 UTC  

Hypothetically

2021-01-06 01:40:55 UTC  

How- How is a property, a state-

2021-01-06 01:41:05 UTC  

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