Message from @Gbyws

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2021-01-06 01:23:40 UTC  

Democracy doesn't have to collapse to dictatorship, no

2021-01-06 01:24:06 UTC  

The most stable democracies are those that disperse power

2021-01-06 01:24:17 UTC  

Democracy, is simply the tyranny of the majority.

2021-01-06 01:24:23 UTC  

That's the best capitalism, little government interference in the markets

2021-01-06 01:24:25 UTC  

**No rulers.**

2021-01-06 01:25:43 UTC  

Innovation is driven by many, many things beyond market pressures. The Wright Brothers only took flight because they were promised government bounty. The Soviets were way ahead of the US for more of the Space Race. This growth came before modern capitalism, and will continue well past it.

2021-01-06 01:25:52 UTC  

Based

2021-01-06 01:26:43 UTC  

Gross and wrong but okay

2021-01-06 01:27:11 UTC  

The Wright Brothers, did so without using government money, though.
Their competitors did. And they did so because there was a...***demand***, even If forced by government.

2021-01-06 01:27:37 UTC  

Right so

2021-01-06 01:27:44 UTC  

That was government making incentive

2021-01-06 01:28:26 UTC  

This system can exist even if necessities are public goods

2021-01-06 01:29:05 UTC  

I'm not against a market for luxuries between now and when automation can provide for a post-scarcity society.

2021-01-06 01:30:19 UTC  

Just if economic governmentation must exist, which is what a business is, it ought to be made in democratic fashion

2021-01-06 01:30:33 UTC  

Post-scarcity is a fantasy

2021-01-06 01:31:04 UTC  

Perhaps, and if such then my plans for systems after a democratic market will simply have to rest

2021-01-06 01:31:16 UTC  

But I don't believe this to be meaningfully the case

2021-01-06 01:31:52 UTC  

The end goal is malleable to reality, and if impossible then other plans will be made.

2021-01-06 01:32:32 UTC  

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2021-01-06 01:34:10 UTC  

And you think anarchist capitalism would not deteriorate into neofeudalism so

2021-01-06 01:34:32 UTC  

I still. Dont understand that argument.

2021-01-06 01:35:35 UTC  

Power breeds power. Capital breeds capital. Coercion and monopolize thereof, and encouraged by the way the market demands growth and the effectiveness of monopoly

2021-01-06 01:36:07 UTC  

Eventually a business too will attempt to make itself be the only possible option just as the state does

2021-01-06 01:36:18 UTC  

Monopolization. Only happens in such immediate way, through Government intervention.

2021-01-06 01:36:36 UTC  

Businesses are goverment

2021-01-06 01:36:49 UTC  

<:DeadInside:717442742594175017> H o w, though.

2021-01-06 01:37:00 UTC  

They dont enact force upon you.

2021-01-06 01:37:06 UTC  

And you Join It voluntarily.

2021-01-06 01:37:24 UTC  

A government simply establishes itself as rule, and fuck all.

2021-01-06 01:37:44 UTC  

Government can be voluntary you doof

2021-01-06 01:37:46 UTC  

Yea the bread shop owned by a 70 year old man is the government

2021-01-06 01:37:57 UTC  

and the moon is the sun

2021-01-06 01:38:03 UTC  

*a government

2021-01-06 01:38:08 UTC  

Not THE government

2021-01-06 01:38:11 UTC  

its still isn’t

2021-01-06 01:38:34 UTC  

"conduct the policy, actions, and affairs of (an organization or people)."

2021-01-06 01:38:43 UTC  

Businesses literally do this

2021-01-06 01:38:55 UTC  

Dont Tell me. You think private ownership upon a space, and employing voluntary employees to take functions into it = Government

2021-01-06 01:38:56 UTC  

They govern

2021-01-06 01:39:13 UTC  

Cause they own places that require people to manage

2021-01-06 01:39:32 UTC  

To be a government, you need....a force, to be able to coerce others.