Message from @Norman

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2020-12-25 05:56:27 UTC  

but their moral compasses were obviously screwed up

2020-12-25 05:56:32 UTC  

My moral statements can apply to others? The determination of the moral statement is personal, but the moral statement can be applied to others

2020-12-25 05:56:39 UTC  

why?

2020-12-25 05:56:40 UTC  

That's called subjective morality

2020-12-25 05:56:45 UTC  

if it is your own morality

2020-12-25 05:56:53 UTC  

and presumably they also have their own

2020-12-25 05:56:55 UTC  

then theres is as valuable as yours

2020-12-25 05:56:58 UTC  

Because it's my application of values to circumstances. That's what a moral statement is

2020-12-25 05:57:11 UTC  

so they have just as much right to impose theirs on you as you do on them

2020-12-25 05:57:21 UTC  

Ok

2020-12-25 05:57:23 UTC  

And

2020-12-25 05:57:26 UTC  

and that is only wrong for you

2020-12-25 05:57:31 UTC  

for them, by your belief, it is good

2020-12-25 05:57:37 UTC  

Sure

2020-12-25 05:57:39 UTC  

They might

2020-12-25 05:57:45 UTC  

what is the practical difference

2020-12-25 05:57:50 UTC  

between this and moral nihilism

2020-12-25 05:58:27 UTC  

Nihilism says the individual cannot make that determination. That it's impossible to make a moral statement. You cannot apply values to circumstances because a 'value' is fictional

2020-12-25 05:58:40 UTC  

well you cant really apply values either

2020-12-25 05:58:45 UTC  

you can just make them up

2020-12-25 05:58:48 UTC  

according to you,

2020-12-25 05:58:51 UTC  

everyone has their own

2020-12-25 05:59:02 UTC  

whoever triumphs, its the same

2020-12-25 05:59:09 UTC  

since they can now define a morality

2020-12-25 05:59:17 UTC  

Isn't that the truth

2020-12-25 05:59:27 UTC  

they can change people's minds

2020-12-25 05:59:40 UTC  

let me put it this way

2020-12-25 05:59:52 UTC  

if someone brainwashed you into thinking killing kittens was good,

2020-12-25 05:59:57 UTC  

well it isnt bad to you

2020-12-25 06:00:01 UTC  

to your current ethics it is,

2020-12-25 06:00:10 UTC  

but your ethics change after the brainwashing

2020-12-25 06:00:17 UTC  

so in actuality, there is no bad thing happening

2020-12-25 06:00:26 UTC  

Makes sense to me

2020-12-25 06:00:30 UTC  

you see how, to others, this looks like there is no morality?

2020-12-25 06:00:38 UTC  

if it can be based on something like feelings?

2020-12-25 06:00:48 UTC  

whats stopping me

2020-12-25 06:00:52 UTC  

from saying theft is bad

2020-12-25 06:00:59 UTC  

then right before i steal

2020-12-25 06:00:59 UTC  

saying its good

2020-12-25 06:01:07 UTC  

then saying it is bad, but it is morally good to keep the money?

2020-12-25 06:01:33 UTC  

and if i can do that, well it sure doesnt seem like there is any morality!