Message from @leftingfighter33
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including giving alleged victims the right to "be heard" at every proceeding
My main morale argument is against the declaration of victimhood before a trial has even begun. On principle I just don't think that this ensures a fair trial.
Mmm I agree with you
It sounds like it might be unconstitutional on those grounds
the language of this organization and in the cookie-cutter amendments adopted by states doesn't use the term "alleged"
just declares them victims. so that's problematic
> TL;DR: A billionaire in California started this organization after his sister was killed and the family encountered her killer in a grocery store a week later and weren't notified by the court that he was out on bail.
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> Some aspects of the law seem pretty reasonable, like notifying alleged victims after an alleged defendant is released on bail. I don't see any issue with that
@Neph (Nec) / Krystaps (War) I think the courts had a mechanism in place to allow for notification but only on request by the victims family. I know I have seen it in other states like Florida for one but it is usually in domestic matters. The victims or their family are allowed to be present but have no say other than in sentencing.
If my sister was killed and I encountered her killer in a grocery store... They would need 🧹 clean up in the isle he was in.
@xephael I share that view
Cleanup aisle 5
If I was a billionaire, you better be hiding better than Osama did😂
This breaking news on the rittenhouse case?
`The complaint says Black bought the gun with money from Rittenhouse with the intention of giving the gun to him.`
They'd have a helluva time proving who's money it was, & loaning a rifle unless I'm mistaken isn't a crime
This Writtenhouse Thing is a Political Farce far as I'm concerned
Seeing the election results, I got to say it's not looking good for Rittenhouse
hopefully we don't live in a place where the election results have an impact on a case
Are we expecting the new regime to interfere in this case?
Will he be convicted though?
Wouldn't that type of purchase, if proven, be considered a "straw" or "straw hat" purchase? I do believe those types of purchases are illegal. In PA i know they are illegal.
yes
they put up warning signs all over the stores
although in this case I am not sure
he wasn't actually not allowed to have the gun
(he was perhaps in context)
but there are hunting exceptions
so maybe - even if this allegation is 100% and provable - he can claim that he is not meant to be covered by limits of "straw purchase" laws, because he is not a felon or whatever, and could use the weapon, just under specific circumstances allowed by the hunting exception
Since his incident wasn't a hunting exception, could he still be charged with the "unlawful possession of a deadly weapon by a minor" charge in Wisconsin? It's a misdemeanor but would it still fall under the particular statute since he is a minor and he was in possession of a deadly weapon? If Robert already covered it then I probably missed it.
Robert doesn't know
he said it has no impact on the murder charge
except
well if you scroll up you'll find a conversation about WI self defense law saying that it does not apply if self defense is done while doing a criminal act
so that complicates things
Robert made the argument that this - if attempted to be applied this way - might be unconstitutional (because 2nd amendment implies self defense, regardless of state laws regarding possession)
others (maybe Robert said this but I did not hear) have said that this sort of argument might upend a lot of cases where people _do_ get off murder charges on self defense even though they are charged with illegal possession at the same time (though I dunno what the situation in WI is)
it probably depends on case law, I think Robert said he didn't know this specific point in WI case law
and others have also pointed out that this can completely upend self-defense; if prosecutors can find _something_ you are doing wrong at the time of self defense, then tada, you are screwed
(and if you read any amount of law, you realize that everyone is always breaking the law :P)
Fair