how does the LEO know that the guy's firearm in his buddy's pocket is the guy's firearm anyway?

i just don't see that helping you

ok

MAYBE it can

but...

well, I tried.

either way, the likelihood that speaking to a police officer about your guilt/innocence in a manner that will actually help you is astronomically low compared to the likelihood that it will help them build a case agaisnt you

long story short: i'd rather get arrested and give them nothing than probably still get arrested anyway and potentially give them something with which to convict me

I think you guys as are talking past eachother

When he says "never talk to the police" it isn't literal

@Doc you taking it too literal

A. Of course you tell the police if there is another shooter at large

B. Of course you call the police if you killed someone in self defense

Then you need to talk to the police.

C. Of course you point out evidence on the ground or wherever if the police miss it

then you would need to acquire the cooperation of the police.

that takes communication.

So now the "dont talk to the police -EVER" rule seems to be less of a rule, right?

Yes if you are amelia bedilia

It is a short rule that has exceptions you are supposed to educate yourself on

I know a better rule: "If you act as your own defense, your client is an idiot."

You are now being intentionally obtuse. I never meant "don't say hi to police"

the context is

the police suspect you or want to question you

you do not answer questions without counsel present

point blank period

If you don't educate yourself on the exceptions, then it is a great rule because you will destroy yourself worse than shutting up if you aren't educated

so not EVER, just not when questioned

oh ffs

yea you can walk down the street and say "good afternoon, officer"

therefore you can say that my point is mute saying "don't ever talk to the police"

moot*

Ayoob and. Branca recommend literally training and rehearsing a list of things to say

Because under that kind of pressure nearly everyone messes up

After a gunfight and the adrenaline dump that comes with it, I wouldn't trust myself to remember a perfectly rehearsed statement and stick to it

yea

but specifically when accused of a crime, is telling the cops "she came at me with a knife!" wrong, even though you are technically giving them a statement?

If you didn't train then you are probably going to hurt yourself more than help yourself

yea

@Doc when accused just shut up

If you failed to report it first you are screwed