B. Of course you call the police if you killed someone in self defense

Then you need to talk to the police.

C. Of course you point out evidence on the ground or wherever if the police miss it

then you would need to acquire the cooperation of the police.

that takes communication.

So now the "dont talk to the police -EVER" rule seems to be less of a rule, right?

Yes if you are amelia bedilia

It is a short rule that has exceptions you are supposed to educate yourself on

I know a better rule: "If you act as your own defense, your client is an idiot."

You are now being intentionally obtuse. I never meant "don't say hi to police"

the context is

the police suspect you or want to question you

you do not answer questions without counsel present

point blank period

If you don't educate yourself on the exceptions, then it is a great rule because you will destroy yourself worse than shutting up if you aren't educated

so not EVER, just not when questioned

oh ffs

yea you can walk down the street and say "good afternoon, officer"

therefore you can say that my point is mute saying "don't ever talk to the police"

moot*

Ayoob and. Branca recommend literally training and rehearsing a list of things to say

Because under that kind of pressure nearly everyone messes up

After a gunfight and the adrenaline dump that comes with it, I wouldn't trust myself to remember a perfectly rehearsed statement and stick to it

yea

but specifically when accused of a crime, is telling the cops "she came at me with a knife!" wrong, even though you are technically giving them a statement?

If you didn't train then you are probably going to hurt yourself more than help yourself

yea

@Doc when accused just shut up

If you failed to report it first you are screwed

@realz I have seen people land themselves verdicts that way.

i'd rather look guilty and not give them anything which with to prove it, than try to come off as innocent only to unintentionally give them the noose with which to hang me in court

The cops will not be able to help you by telling what you said

They can only hurt you

they failed to inform the cops of the way the incident went down, and evidence was lost. Not due to the cops malice, but because they did not now what to secure.

Very sad.

Because people followed the advice "do not talk to the cops."

Ok well yes you should stick around and make sure all evidence is collected but not get into detail of the evidence

While I respect Mr. Ayoob, he has never had to defend anyone in court. I, respectfully, will take a defense attorney's advice over his in this instance

It is more sad when they give testimony about only the bad things you said

And can't tell the good things you said

This seems complicated.