@Benny2Toes But that is the narrative now.

The truth is; the kid wanted to be a cop so bad he could not wait. He also wanted to be a paramedic. He wanted to be someone. And had no idea how the world works.

Yup

A good analogy I've heard toward this idea: If an underage woman had a concealed handgun, and went to a bar illegally and then there was an attempted rape on her person and she used a firearm in self defense, would we consider this murder?

She shouldn't have been there.

here? Yes. In the US? Probably not.

im still have not a great understanding on some of the laws..like endangerment little loss on the understanding

Confrontation was very much a possibility.

She brought a gun.

exactly. Planning a self defense situation will terminate any such claim here.

by definition.

Your laws, however, are different.

what happens if its ok to be there

You are allowed to plan self defense and still claim it.

whats plan mean

It would be more like a woman going into a bar knowing an attempted rape was likely or eminent, then claiming self defense.

I don't think he was planning to use his firearm.

ya dont think that would work

@osok if you carry a knife here, and claim you carried it in self defense, the court will say; "if you knew the situation could get dangerous and still approached it .- that is not self defense"

they could but if you carrie all time and its lawful

Also, what you're saying is that because he went out with a gun, he also forfeits his right to live.

That doesn't really matter. But assuming it did, of course he did. He might have thought it would deter violence but he had a loaded firearm at a riot. Ignorance can not be claimed here, IMO.

Because he made a dumb mistake.

@osok no carry permit exists in out system.

I don't think that's fair.

In fact, I am a competing pistol sports shooter. No situation exists where I can, under the law, use my firearm to defend myself. It will be illegal no matter the situation.

i think the mob would have killed them all if they didnt have a weapon

doc you 3 gun

Anyone who carries knows using deadly force is possible.

@Benny2Toes, you just advanced to level 3!

Sure.

But does that mean they forfeit their right to live?

@osok 3 gun?

Yes

Then what's the point of going out with a gun?

Because presumably when you draw someone has forfeited your right for you.

sorry doc though you said competed in gun shooting my bad

No, because you also have forfeited the right to live, so you can't claim self defense.

Possibly

You're not infringing on anyone's rights by carrying a firearm.

But you are alive