Also, what you're saying is that because he went out with a gun, he also forfeits his right to live.

That doesn't really matter. But assuming it did, of course he did. He might have thought it would deter violence but he had a loaded firearm at a riot. Ignorance can not be claimed here, IMO.

Because he made a dumb mistake.

@osok no carry permit exists in out system.

I don't think that's fair.

In fact, I am a competing pistol sports shooter. No situation exists where I can, under the law, use my firearm to defend myself. It will be illegal no matter the situation.

i think the mob would have killed them all if they didnt have a weapon

doc you 3 gun

Anyone who carries knows using deadly force is possible.

@Benny2Toes, you just advanced to level 3!

Sure.

But does that mean they forfeit their right to live?

@osok 3 gun?

Yes

Then what's the point of going out with a gun?

Because presumably when you draw someone has forfeited your right for you.

sorry doc though you said competed in gun shooting my bad

No, because you also have forfeited the right to live, so you can't claim self defense.

Possibly

You're not infringing on anyone's rights by carrying a firearm.

But you are alive

People are infringing on your rights when they attempt to assault you.

yesss

Assault is rarely fatal

Any time ypu pull your weapon and take a life you should plan on going to jail

That's why some states have equal-force self defense laws.

@osok yes, I do. What did you mean by 3 gun?

But WI doesn't.

most no the laws who carrie

Tell that to Kyle

know the law

We are talking apples and oranges, a bit. You are arguing the way it should be. But look at what is happening.

Not at all.

that kid was very controlled under the situation

Your firat defense is avoidance. It is the only guarantee that you will be safe and compliant with the law.

He ran.

...first

Multiple times.

yep

He put himself there knowing the danger

ok and