@Doc dunno if you missed my Q yesterday; I am curious what the final say is on HCQ, when used with Zinc and administered early

@realz What I have seen, again, is equivocality. It probably stems from the fact that COVID is a two phenomenon problem. 1 is the virus itself, 2 is the action of the immunodefenses.

HCQ is an immuno-modulator (and protects Red blood cells - which there are reports are destroyed by the disease), so it makes sense to use it to modulate the hyperimmunity connected to COVID.

If you, however, downregulate a immunodefense in the "fight the virus" mode, you might be doing something less that optimal.

As there is no easy way of separating those going through hyper/auto-immunity from those battling the virus, you get heterogenous cohorts and equivocality when doing the statistics.

mmm

Please keep in mind, I am not a virologist or immunologist. I am a double specialty MD, none of which include the two.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwc0cJ409VQ

@Doc why are the deaths staying low even though the cases are going up and down like a rollercoaster

Hypothetical:

1) because those most receptive are already dead

2) because deaths are classified differently

3) because this is wave 2, people are more immune

4) because these are less deadly strains

5) because medical treatment is increasing in quality with experience.

6) because social distancing decreases viral load on transmission, which will influence mortality

7) all of the above.

@realz

What determines the rate being characterized as 'low'?

oh! 8) Because deaths occur later in the cycles. We are just entering wave 2

@Zuluzeit what rate? Mortality rate? MR is always relative.

"low" for a virus = lower than the flu. "low" for corona, lower than regular corona (the common cold)

Relative to performance thus far?

that

yes, there has been reports that both the IFR and CFR is lower this time around, than last spring.

So, relative to what has been seen thus far. Thanks.

Fauci is a TYRANT

Daily deaths is useless as a measure of covid, it includes deaths due to lockdown induced deaths i. E. Increased suicide, increased domestic abuse, less medical appointments snd procedures thst could save lufes, etc .. It usnt just covid deaths.

you are aware that primary, secondary and tertiary deaths are registered differently?

(and this is the wrong channel)

Dominion should be FORCED to release their source code

There is no way we can be sure that the elections in states that used the dominion software were fair unless we look at their source code. I believe the Trump administration should SUE Dominion to have their source code release to the public and have it under public scrutiny to ensure they are not using their software to rig elections.

This has happened in the past already and there is precedent, so why dont they do it? We should have a right to know what the software and hardware that counts our votes is doing.

Interested in what Robert tinks of this

They will fight that to death. They will say it comprises the security of the entire environment by allowing access publicly or otherwise. Same with apple, John Deere and every other tractor company.

That sounds like something that should be classified.

I want to see tax returns but here we are.

I mean I wanna see the returns too, I wanna know everything I can claim to use the systems as designed. Im sure there are millions of others that would like that information available everywhere to abuse too we could ALL be paying less right ?

> That sounds like something that should be classified.
@Zuluzeit If we have poll watchers, the same should apply to software used for voting.
Ideally we should be using open source software from a foundation with no political affiliation like the Dominion trash, but since their software is closed source
and nobody can "watch" what they do inside their code we should force a release of their version controlled changes to the codebase from day 1.

Maybe it was and still could be subject to review by qualified analysts in appropriate agencies, instead of blasting it out there for mobsourced determination. Indeed, maybe someone has thought of that already.

Regardless, I'm not sure I'd ever feel like the arbiter of what is trash but especially not when I haven't seen the particular thing. That would be flagrantly irresponsible speculation.

@leftingfighter33 That should be pretty easy to test even without the source code of Dominion. Feed a number of ballots with pre-determined results and confirm that the machine returns that same results. For Science!!