and look at what happened with Wayne County, yeah they withdrew their lawsuit because they have sworn affidavits of 2 board members who want to rescind their certification vote because their initial choice to certify was under duress.

And they have video evidence of people threatening them.

The whole point of my diatribe was to point out this.

1. Gulliani said “courts decide elections”
2. Then his real strategy is to bog the courts with frivolous lawsuits thus bypassing the only institution that is bound by facts and evidence and turning the decision over to the court of public opinion. And the ultimate decision being made by people who are not bound by the facts , proof or the law and just decide based on party lines

@james j, you just advanced to level 3!

One of the constitution's many contingencies

I think there's even a provision where the presidency can be determined by the flip of a coin if house delegations are tied for votes.

I mean imagine that, the flip of a coin choosing the leader of the free world

new update in PA btw

@Adam135 yeah after they got a phone call from trump. They know they cant actually rescind their certification and even if they could the secretary of state would certify it anyways. That whole maneuver was just more political theaters to sway public opinion, unbalanced counties happen every election and have never been grounds to not certify. Those same election officials even stated they would be fine with certifying a county that was even more off than Wayne county. That should tell you their decision has nothing to do with a unbalanced county.

we can only take what's been said on the phone call at their word, anything else is speculation.

so far it's interesting to see what can be contested and what can't.

What new precedents might be established by a judge on hearing this matter

duress may or may not prove to be an exception in that case

Im going off what the election offical said in regards to one county being more out of balance and being fine with certifying that but not Wayne county which was less out of balance. Not to mention being out of balance is not a criteria used to not certify because out of balance counties happen every election and hey get certified anyways.

Duress has nothing to do with this

and whatever their real intentions are at this point, they do have video evidence to support their sworn testimonies that they felt threatened at the cost of their own safety and their families when they made the decision, so it's ultimately a matter of what a judge will determine on that

Yeah their feelings carries less weight then their actions and rationale they gave being contradictory

have they certified Wayne County yet?

I haven't seen any updates so far

It has

Its just political theater on their part

Then it's likely that will stand, even after being contested.

The election officials that is

but you'll wannah hear this

new update in PA

Ok

appeals court in PA is stopping election officials in one county from counting ballots that came in envelops with no marked dates

New ballots coming in?

no, likely ones that were segregated with no marked dates

Oh yeah the whole naked ballot thing

They were ruling on that before the election

it doesn't say whether or not they will certify or tabulate, just that the process is on hold for now

Republican gop lawmakers were trying to invalidate those

Before the election

Actually it was state secretary I think who tried to extend the mail-in ballot deadline,

@Adam135, you just advanced to level 6!

but it got overturned by a court order because that decision only belongs to the state legislature

so it isn't even what rule they added or changed, it was who changed it.

Im talking about the naked ballot thing not extending the deadline

The extended deadline thing only effects 10000 voted

I assume a naked ballot is only one that hasn't been marked with a date?