The poll watchers trump keeps referring to were the watchers off the street you signed up to watch

but yes, they were in the room, but they weren't able to physically identify ballots from a reasonable distance.

No the judge in that case asked were there republican poll watchers in that room , the lawyer replied “there was a non zero number of republican poll watchers in the room” . Then the case was dismissed

It's basically a simple gentleman's rule, like in boxing, how before one coach can wrap the fighter's hands, the opposing coach must come over and witness it to ensure good faith and then mark it before the gloves come on.

I'm not disputing whether or not they were in the room, I'm disputing whether they were actually able to witness and identify ballots being cast.

Its a frivolous case that got tossed. They were allowed to be within 6 feet after however that is not enough to invalidate those votes

I mean, answer me this, what reason would you have to not allow opposing party poll watchers to observe ballots being cast?

Coronavirus

and yet those same standards weren't even remotely followed for other poll workers

Spacing

People constantly breaking the 6 feet rule and being obstructive

but a court order said they must be allowed within 6 feet.

Yes after

If the entire republican case of invalidating votes is based on this 20 foot rule its a weak case.

It isn't, it's simply to cast doubt and pack the courts with litigation

and look at what happened with Wayne County, yeah they withdrew their lawsuit because they have sworn affidavits of 2 board members who want to rescind their certification vote because their initial choice to certify was under duress.

And they have video evidence of people threatening them.

The whole point of my diatribe was to point out this.

1. Gulliani said “courts decide elections”
2. Then his real strategy is to bog the courts with frivolous lawsuits thus bypassing the only institution that is bound by facts and evidence and turning the decision over to the court of public opinion. And the ultimate decision being made by people who are not bound by the facts , proof or the law and just decide based on party lines

@james j, you just advanced to level 3!

One of the constitution's many contingencies

I think there's even a provision where the presidency can be determined by the flip of a coin if house delegations are tied for votes.

I mean imagine that, the flip of a coin choosing the leader of the free world

new update in PA btw

@Adam135 yeah after they got a phone call from trump. They know they cant actually rescind their certification and even if they could the secretary of state would certify it anyways. That whole maneuver was just more political theaters to sway public opinion, unbalanced counties happen every election and have never been grounds to not certify. Those same election officials even stated they would be fine with certifying a county that was even more off than Wayne county. That should tell you their decision has nothing to do with a unbalanced county.

we can only take what's been said on the phone call at their word, anything else is speculation.

so far it's interesting to see what can be contested and what can't.

What new precedents might be established by a judge on hearing this matter

duress may or may not prove to be an exception in that case

Im going off what the election offical said in regards to one county being more out of balance and being fine with certifying that but not Wayne county which was less out of balance. Not to mention being out of balance is not a criteria used to not certify because out of balance counties happen every election and hey get certified anyways.

Duress has nothing to do with this

and whatever their real intentions are at this point, they do have video evidence to support their sworn testimonies that they felt threatened at the cost of their own safety and their families when they made the decision, so it's ultimately a matter of what a judge will determine on that

Yeah their feelings carries less weight then their actions and rationale they gave being contradictory

have they certified Wayne County yet?

I haven't seen any updates so far

It has

Its just political theater on their part

Then it's likely that will stand, even after being contested.

The election officials that is

but you'll wannah hear this

new update in PA

Ok