then vote for the self sacrificing.

Evil=illegal for me

oh, so Mengele wasnt evil?

And just like that, we got to Godwin’s Law

I mean it's the easiest refutation of Illegal=evil

No, no it’s deeper than that for sure. Not going there we are not third world, or at least I chose to believe we aren’t and that we have more sophisticated laws.

well, indeed. They offer themselves as the perfect example. @JonM16

I’m want politicians that don’t break laws. How’s that? Lol

@Repeat Good laws spring out of ethics. But some times they part ways.

The one who breaks the least amount of laws gets my vote

Thus making the definition of legality as "good" very dangerous.

But we don’t have to go that far to refute evil or terrible or worse ideas

Evil is extremely hard to define.

As is good.

Darth Vader and Adolf Hitler thus lends themselves as examples.

Before that it was the Kaiser and Napoleon.

The one who breaks the least amount of laws gets my vote. The irony here

I would like to remind you that the founding fathers were all criminals.

Yes @Doc the definitely were

If you're going by Nietsche nearly everything of importance will be hard to define.

I think this would be a good start: https://www.theadvocates.org/2016/10/aggression/

But the founding fathers wanted to start a new country. I don’t

@linuxace Except academic bovine and crowds.

The NAP eventually self contradicts once you get to enforcement.

LOL.

@Repeat I would say you do. You wanted honest politicians. That sounds like the Boston insurrectionists.

@Doc, you just advanced to level 14!

Our system was setup to assume dishonest politicians. The Federalist documents are pretty clear on that point.

and the 2nd amendment....

@Doc I believe we can salvage this country without need for a new one. Faith

Amen Doc.

kinda shows how they had read their Plato.

And built in an extra fuse.

@Repeat Optimism is cowardice. - Oswald Spengler

Assuming good faith will get you killed

@Repeat I do believe you are going down. If you cant revive the loyalty to the constitution in your cityzens, it might be game over.

You are just 2 generations after us.

And we passed the threshold 10 years ago.

The brits just fired off their escape pod, but seem to lack escape velocity.

I think the most likely scenario is a peaceful divorce.

That's my big problem with Democrats lately. I don't really like any political party but the Dems seem to be the ones right now trying tear down the checks and balances. Republicans have their own set of problems. There isn't going to be any salvaging if those things get dismantled.