basically Obama and his state department tried to ax Netanyahu

I only know the details of this because I paid attention to israel for other reasons

we do this _everywhere_

the US is one piece of work smh

I mean, fine do wtf you want, but don't sound all outraged when someone does it to you

That's why we are so well loved, buddy.

The US is a global powerhouse, of course people in other countries are going to be extremely interested in US elections.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't combat disinformation from outside the US, it means we have to take this sort of thing with a grain of salt imho.

shh don't tell that Repeat guy

It's a pernicious imperialism we practice. Makes more real enemies than real friends.

Hahahahaha @realz

Gal, apparently.

There is a big difference between the US government and the US people. Most of the people I met in the government were normal hardworking people as long as they had functional jobs. Most of the people I met who worked in D.C. or who were high level managers, directors, etc. were shady AF. It seems like about 90% of the people who make it to the top are power hungry and therefore immoral. We need to rein that in.

For sure.

The start? Try to remove corporate interests from political campaigning.

I don't see power hungry as necessarily immoral

I don't see how to do that without curtailing FoS in ways that I would object to

Turns out Maw reads about 35% faster than I do. Goes with the typing disparity, more or less. Nice work

It's not so much they are the same thing. It's the fact that the system is set up to make it so you have to play the game that way if you want power.

I skip 35% more words than you do 😛

Zulu.. i see u everywhere... all the times in the streams

Hahaha @realz

@linuxace That is a product of culture. If you are honest in a job interview, the chances of being hired drop. It is lying integrated into ontology. Only surgery can remove such a tumor.

Indeed, I am omnipresent @MatiLuc

Remember that...

At work now . Hopefully will catch the stream..

Oh crap. Work. Uh...bbl.

I don't think a corporation should have more say than your average American. It's all about the fundraising imho.

I would agree, but I think western culture is dying so I have an obvious bias. I would rather not be hired than to be dishonest which works but I have to work much harder to actually do things I say I do.

Im not sure that is a bias. I have seen no one finding fallacies in Toynbee or Spengler.

Yea but a corporation is just a bunch of people (shareholders) getting together

they _are_ an average american

Ehhh.

you can't restrict corporations without restricting groups of people

Maw . How u got the MOD in the streams

@MatiLuc, you just advanced to level 1!

I might have jumped into the China conversation late but remember these few points when talking about China.

China paid the NBA 500 million dollars to push and promote "BLM" which in return persudes a lot of people's way of thinking.

Also don't forget they let a virus escape from a lab (COVID-19) That has affected the entire globe and cause many deaths and caused countries to go into debt. And what happened to them? Nothing. No country can stand or would stand upto them. China would just cut off all the items you buy and now you don't have a stove, microwave, laptop, washer, dryer etc. 90% of what you own is from or made in China.

So the reality is... If China interfered with the election by any means, no one will do anything about it.

There is a huge difference between what the average person donates vs. the really rich person who you're talking about.

China owns the world.

@Maw w.r.t FoS though it doesn't matter; you cannot restrict the idea of Super PACs without restricting people spending money on influencing people

CNN is a super pac