Message from @Watching the Watchers

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2020-11-27 05:48:15 UTC  

That's the key issue when it comes to allegations of judicial activism. On what grounds

2020-11-27 05:50:16 UTC  

activism is where the court determines that somewhere in the constitution is buried the idea of a guaranteed right to abortion, which the states cannot override

2020-11-27 05:50:23 UTC  

In Brown v Board of Education, the law as legislated was for segregation. This is cited as an example of Judicial Activism, but if segregation is unconstitutional, why is this activism?

2020-11-27 05:51:01 UTC  

that is a case of more ambiguity I think

2020-11-27 05:51:10 UTC  

it really depends if separate can be equal

2020-11-27 05:51:23 UTC  

and that is up to interpretation

2020-11-27 05:51:41 UTC  

Are you guys familiar with Torres vs Madrid? Uncivil Law and Rekieta covered the oral arguments the other day. They are still deciding what is seizure .. That’s why I’m not sure that originalists/textualist interpretation is fully possible.

2020-11-27 05:51:50 UTC  

I don't mind the judges making such judgement calls (hopefully based on evidence)

2020-11-27 05:52:10 UTC  

nope

2020-11-27 05:52:58 UTC  

where true ambiguity exists, it is the role of the court to come up with something consistent

2020-11-27 05:53:10 UTC  

this isn't the "judicial activism" that is where people are at odds

2020-11-27 05:53:18 UTC  

I'm way out of my league on this one.. I know that even the church wrestled with this for centuries. Back then, they determined that a person didn't become a person until their soul entered the body. They determined that this happened at the quickening. The first time a mother felt the baby move.

2020-11-27 05:53:43 UTC  

an example of future judicial activism would be if somehow the SC decided that "healthcare was a constitutional right" and came up with some crazy interpretation to support this

2020-11-27 05:54:22 UTC  

I am not making a position on abortion, but anyone who ever read the constitution knows sure as hell it isn't a constitutional right

2020-11-27 05:54:35 UTC  

@realz I’m not for activism either. Just think people use the concept of originalism too much to back whatever they want to say. I just wish they were honest

2020-11-27 05:55:18 UTC  

Originalism doesn't back whatever you want to say it backs what someone else said when they wrote the law

2020-11-27 05:55:31 UTC  

well that can't be helped; people claiming to interpret it textually but in bad faith? you can't prove what is going on in their minds. We have to assume judges judge in good faith, or at least the majority do.

2020-11-27 05:56:17 UTC  

either way I've been listening to this without realizing it the entire time

2020-11-27 05:56:24 UTC  

and I didn't find anything remotely objectionable

2020-11-27 05:56:25 UTC  

I don’t think it’s in bad faith. I just think people don’t think about their biases enough and pretend they are unbiased

2020-11-27 05:56:25 UTC  

@aiva, you just advanced to level 3!

2020-11-27 05:56:38 UTC  

again, this can't be helped

2020-11-27 05:57:00 UTC  

I agree @realz

2020-11-27 05:57:03 UTC  

I don't mind if a leftist judge leans left on his rulings as long as he is doing a good faith interpretation; sure his biases might make him take left leaning choices on ambiguities

2020-11-27 05:57:08 UTC  

his/her

2020-11-27 05:57:19 UTC  

the biases can't be helped

2020-11-27 05:57:33 UTC  

There are 9 justices, I imagine one can figure out how to check the other's bias. I think the odds of em all having similar biases is pretty low

2020-11-27 05:58:27 UTC  

We could also ask the question of whether bias is even desirable

2020-11-27 05:58:40 UTC  

(I don't think anyone thinks that Roe v Wade was a good faith interpretation)

2020-11-27 05:58:56 UTC  

@Elzam that’s why you need diversity of opinions. So they can check and challenge each other

2020-11-27 05:59:13 UTC  

I have heard that even RGB didn't like Roe V Wade

2020-11-27 05:59:20 UTC  

she thought it should have been an amendment

2020-11-27 05:59:39 UTC  

(or a federal law)

2020-11-27 05:59:42 UTC  

Well as far as the courts concerned, I don't want a diversity of opinion on what the constitution is.

2020-11-27 05:59:43 UTC  

Are things assumed to be a privilege until legislated as a right? Does a right have to be granted as an amendment?

2020-11-27 05:59:48 UTC  

Old but still relivent https://youtu.be/46qpyvD-IPk

2020-11-27 05:59:48 UTC  

@WatchingYouDaily, you just advanced to level 4!

2020-11-27 06:00:28 UTC  

Well what is a right? Does right mean you're entitled to it as supplied through taxpayer funding.

2020-11-27 06:00:47 UTC  

well I am saying what if the SC decides that FoS means you need to be able to speak and not being healthy doesn't enable speech or somesuch nonsese

2020-11-27 06:01:02 UTC  

(there are probably better amendments to use for this)

2020-11-27 06:01:19 UTC  

Though iirc it's 10 that says the rights are extended to the people