Message from @AdvanceManExtraordinaire
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@yetiCodes like I said before voter fraud has been proven in the past
@AdvanceManExtraordinaire We aren't the arbiters of what qualifies for a hearing. We have people for that. People who know more than we do about a lot of things that are appropriately applicable here. It isn't up to us and that isn't by accident of for bad reasons.
this was almost 2 weeks ago and its obviously a biased judge. if this was the PA one this judge was debunked by a higher court
All biased judges haha
So many excuses
Trump appointed judges are biased
Federalist society judges are biased
I understand this. Seeing as it’s a piece of the puzzle, do you think it deems being formally investigated is the question, given that If fraud did indeed occur, then the data do show exactly what is expected.
George w bush appointed judges are biased
If you're human, you're probably biased.
@Kpgmr72, you just advanced to level 2!
@AdvanceManExtraordinaire I have no problem with going to court so far it’s all speculation and would get destroyed in a cross examination for being just that
I disagree that we should always defer to the justice system. Again I can bring examples of when the justice system got rulings wrong.
This lady would be eviscerated on the stand.
@AdvanceManExtraordinaire What's not being formally investigated and how do you know that?
so the argument is that because some affidavit were tainted and found to be untrue, that every affidavit is? Do you realize what you are arguing here? You keep saying "under cross examination it would be found that these people are lying." Awesome. Lets see it then. Oh we won't, because the judge didn't even let it get to that point
The main problem he had with the affidavits is that they just offered /anyone/, regardless of their position, regardless of if they were a poll worker, regardless of ANYTHING RELATIVE to the quality of affidavits besides being unable to prove a claim false.
This is not a biased opinion.
It's based in reason.
As far as I’m aware, there are currently no formal hearings where both sides are presenting evidence and being cross examined.
Why should I take the affidavit of some unknown construction worker that has never worked at a polling station in his life?
Who has never been a witness.
@AdvanceManExtraordinaire Ok. That's not investigation. Just curious.
@SPEARS I am pointing out that if you present affidavits that cant be proven false there is no punishment. Thus the whole “they did it under penalty of law” argument falls flat on its face as a reason to give them credibility
so youre saying one instance of fraud, or a system that inherently will produce fraud--that all things that stemmed from this system should be discreditted?
I'm saying that it's unreliable evidence due to the method in which was used to gain the affidavits.
That's what the judge said, yes.
With such little standards as being unable to prove something is false.
I actually don’t think that’s a fair point. This again goes back to the murder analogy, and I admit I’m not familiar with the justice system. But if the construction worker witnesses someone on the street getting shot in the head in cold blood, vs watching ballot counters say “Biden” 90,000 times in a row, why is he any less credible in the latter?
Like, not even certifying these are US citizens. That they have some sort of connection to elections work.
but mail in votes are ok? you realize this is the exact same logic and line of thinking that is putting mail in votes in question?
Also listening to Robert Barnes talk about how the judges are unfair or whatever carries less weight to me after learning he is involved in some trump fraud cases
??? Why would you bring up mail in ballots when we're talking about overturning election results.
In a legal sense.
I believe that has already been done in GA and in WI. Hand recounts - comparing contemporaneous paper ballots - to tabulated results are the exact way that one would verify that there was no vote flipping taking place. The problem is that it doesn't fit the narrative that people want to be true. But scientifically, it's pretty absolute. Also, keep in mind that most states have implemented Risk limiting audits where they look at random lots of tabulated votes and hand count them and compare it to the tabulated votes. There is a formula for how many votes need to be included in the audit depending on the margin of victory and the number of votes cast. In the case of GA, this would have been 1.5m random lots. Raffensberger decided that it was simpler to just do a complete hand recount, which is the most comprehensive way to ensure that votes are being tabulated correctly.
At least ballots try to determine via a database if you're a resident of the US.
there was not an actual hand recount in GA that compared tabulated data to hand counted ballots
there process for collecting affidavits was inherently flawed and prone to abuse. just like the voting systems in question.
It was done under the guise of an "audit" because that is what was required and how they paid for it, but it was factually a hand recount.