Message from @JD~Jordan
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Fair enough JD, just saying there is a lot of valuable info in the testimony, lots that can be missed
Okay theres different real news networks with bias but OAN isnt a network it's just Trump propaganda sycophants willing to say anything to kiss up to him. They say he definitively has 410 electoral votes
If its a "Could" then by all means lets fix it if we can. But unless there is evidence to suggest someone DID then well why do we think there was fraud?
Someone COULD go to a polling place we an AK 47 and steal all the ballots. But unless there is evidence to suggest that happened what is the point in discussing it except to cover that possibility next time around?
Well, we have an email from an election supervisor that says "we know there are problems with sharpies, pre-election day only use pens. on election day you must use sharpies." and then we have election machines designed with major security flaws, one of which lets a human intervene and swap votes based on a picture of the ballot. There is never going to be a super smoking gun, but there doesn't need to be
At least newsmax was like swing states are under lawsuits
I have seen that... the problem is the company that provided the machines say the sharpies were NO problem at all
there is literally an email from the election supervisor saying "i know yall have been having problems with the sharpies"
No machines were designed with flaws intentionally that is hogwash
I'm going to not reply anymore if you aren't willing to take the 3 min to just watch the video clip lol. He specifically talks about how it was a "feature" not a "flaw"
its only a flaw from a security perspective
Can anyone tell me where the actual claims can be read that Robert shares with us? I know they are public:) thx
I am not saying the email doesnt exist. I am saying that he is simply wrong. The people that build the machines say the sharpies pose no problem. If we assume that they do (which is silly do to) its certainly not fraud
Sharpies were used because they don't smug
They are actually better than other type pens... it dries faster
So you think we should just believe something because the company that manufactured the product tells us to?
car companies say their cars are safe, food companies say their food is sanitary, drug companies say their drugs are safe, etc etc.
@JonasRobert, you just advanced to level 2!
Sharpies not being counted by machines wasn't the issue.
Sharpies being used to heuristically discriminate against ballots vs pens is. You can identify a Day of Vote via sharpie and give it greater scrutiny.
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in any other context we view these claims with a big grain of salt
There ya go
I understand that you think you're making a good point, but because you didnt watch the video you don't realize that you're responding to a completely different and unrelated claim lol
yes, exactly!
So you think we should just believe something because the company that manufactured the product tells us to? @JonasRobert So you think we should just believe your nameless email guy?
EVIDENCE... not accusations is what I am asking
I don't know what you're talking about. The email was not nameless.
ok what's his name
I believe it was a she
Can't remember the election officials name
And why are you giving the email person more credit than the company that supplies the machines?
Side question: any substance to claims that Trump is planning on Pardoning his kids and Rudy?
@JD~Jordan Because the Machines don't matter.
The person who wrote the email was on the ground using the machines, it was in response to her own poll workers who said they were having problems with sharpies
but like someone else said, the claim is NOT that sharpies were used to make trump votes not be read by the machines. the claim is that they were used to help distinguish in person election day votes
so when you combine the claims from the video above^^ w/ the very odd fact that they wanted to not use sharpies any time other than on election day...how do we reconcile these weird data points?
Did you read the email? Its not an admission that Sharpies are a problem. Might want to read it again. And look, lets assume that some machines had a hard time reading Sharpies - that is not fraud. The company denies that they Sharpies are an issue. Some polling workers apparently think differently. Still... not fraud.
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Read the email again. The person that wrote the email was responding to the people on the ground