Message from @JonasRobert
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Remember the Trump Legal Team having failed miserably in court is seeking to discard millions of votes or flat out throw out the entire election so when you say why block then from gaining access to dig through the entire core results why would we not want them on a short leash
CNN got outed today btw
who cares
Wonder who’s next🤔
anyone that would rely on CNN or FOX deserves being made a fool
@JonasRobert something they present that can’t be refuted. I don’t know what evidence for wide spread voter fraud would be. They are they ones claiming they have the evidence for it . The dominion machine thing would be a start but so far all of it is extremely conspiratorial and out there.
Lol we’ve had This debate already.
@JD~Jordan outed for what
who knows who cares
@JD~Jordan, you just advanced to level 6!
Another thing sidney Powell claimed was all the election places started with 35k votes ok that seems easy to prove whoops the kraken didnt feel like it 😂
It really does hurt your credibility when some of your claims are so easily refuted
Reminder DOJ is still investigating things. We won’t know anything concrete for a bit.
Smartmatic wasnt even used in the places where the filed the bulk of their cases. The company is not link to Dominion they are competitors.
Um... well Barr said they found nothing
They said dominion hacking was responsible for faulty vote counts in counties without dominion machines and most of these places dont hah smartmatic
In the testimonies from IT experts, there was discussion of maneuvering data and pushing ballots to favor the counts. Some districts have not released the physical machines for investigation.
@TW20, you just advanced to level 5!
And Barr is practically Trump's own private lawyer... so if he couldnt find fraud then...well it doesnt look good
@JD~Jordan @james j I think you guys need to just consider what you're saying in another context. Imagine Jim is accused of murder. If their business rival claims they saw them commit the murder...that IS evidence, but probably not enough to convince many ppl. But what if also we had a video of Jim leaving the murder scene...thats more evidence. Maybe still not enough though. What if we found Jim's DNA on the dead body? Maybe we could find an explanation, but the case gets stronger and stronger. What if we found the murder weapon in Jim's car? That still isn't 100% definitive proof. There could be some explanation, but at that point, most juries are gonna say he's guilty. Maybe some juror's would have been convinced at an earlier point. Maybe some still wouldnt convict.
They include Appel hacking machines from 1990 in lawsuit and testimony
@JD~Jordan @james j What I'm asking is to apply the same logic to this election stuff. and to give an example of what evidence you personally would need.
Nope. Not accurate. Before you get to send the elelection machines to be inspected by private companies you need to establish a really good basis for that to take place. There is none.
SCROLL UP... Ive told you like 3 times. Not gonna do it again
@JD~Jordan @james j what we have now is SOME evidence, statistical evidence and witness testimony. I think it's perfectly fair for you to say that's not enough. I'm just curious what would be enough? Also @JD~Jordan you did not give any example you just kept asking for me to give you evidence lol. if you dont wanna participate thats fine, ill leave it to @james j or anyone else
If they're not afraid to release the machines for investigation, they shouldn't have anything to hide.
CBS clearly states this is untrue
We don’t have anything close to evidence @JonasRobert we have unverifiable stories from a mob of public poll watchers . They got these affidavits from a website online and the judge threw most of them out becaus it was mostly spam and things you can’t prove happened or didn’t happened. As far as these hearings go it’s not much different. The only data driven thing they have going for them is easily disputed. This is just a show perpetuated and egged on by trump. He had been priming his followers that the election would be rigged for months, now they just see fraud everywhere.
Here's what I would have liked MI was closer but AZ and GA were weird. Trump legal team sit down with witnesses ahead of time to sort out proper testimony from confused poll watchers. Bring in election worker and voting machine expert to answer questions to testimony can be compared to proper procedures instead of guessing. Specific measurable examples of fraud being done. Vulnerabilities are fine to fix in the future but there has to be real fraud there.
You are missing the point. We can't just start turning election machines over to anyone that wants to check them out because they didnt like the results. We need you to justify that insanely expensive and massive an undertaking.
okay, i will accept what you're saying as true. but my question still stands - what WOULD be evidence, in your mind?
@JonasRobert I already answered that did I not?
im sry maybe I missed it, will you plz copy/paste?
"something they present that can’t be refuted. I don’t know what evidence for wide spread voter fraud would be." this is what I saw you post
@JonasRobert something they present that can’t be refuted. I don’t know what evidence for wide spread voter fraud would be. They are they ones claiming they have the evidence for it . The dominion machine thing would be a start but so far all of it is extremely conspiratorial and out there.
If they want to say 10000 Trump votes were dropped outline how it was done and show the 10000
@Dedkraken, you just advanced to level 16!
Yes something that can’t be refuted , have enough of that then you have something @JonasRobert