Message from @Steeler26

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2020-12-06 21:53:19 UTC  

@Zuluzeit a Voter may submit a Ballot that is in violation of the Law. That does not necessarily mean they have Criminal Liability.... Ie. Not signing their Absentee Ballot. Not a Crime, However still an Illegal Ballot.

2020-12-06 21:53:25 UTC  

Or what changes were inflicted on 77.

2020-12-06 21:53:36 UTC  

But if someone wanted to break chain of custody, could they do it without someone knowing for certain? Again not to implicate it happened on a massive scale.

2020-12-06 21:54:07 UTC  

What about states where marijuana legal

2020-12-06 21:54:14 UTC  

They're not following federal law

2020-12-06 21:54:15 UTC  

Just playin devil's advocate here

2020-12-06 21:55:00 UTC  

My opinion, it is against federal law when crossing state lines. Feds just won’t jump in on it.

2020-12-06 21:55:09 UTC  

At the marijuana example the federal government cut off banking but what can they do?

2020-12-06 21:55:20 UTC  

Right. It's referencing the 14th amendment where you find the equal protections clause

2020-12-06 21:55:21 UTC  

Does federal law even define marijuana possession's legality?

2020-12-06 21:55:34 UTC  

@busillis States do not have the authority to enforce Federal Law.

2020-12-06 21:55:34 UTC  

@William Dinan, you just advanced to level 11!

2020-12-06 21:56:05 UTC  

That seems outside the scope of federal law.

2020-12-06 21:56:08 UTC  

Ballots crossing state lines?

2020-12-06 21:56:20 UTC  

That’s a problem

2020-12-06 21:56:45 UTC  

@Steeler26 The military is a problem?

2020-12-06 21:56:48 UTC  

Interstate versus intrastate

2020-12-06 21:56:56 UTC  

Do they even need to hold elections to determine the will of their people? Seems like a lot of unnecessary work, if you can throw votes away based on a technicality...kinda like court cases.

2020-12-06 21:56:57 UTC  

@Maw a Federal Question has to come into play. Ie. Interstate Commerce.

2020-12-06 21:57:07 UTC  

What about military?

2020-12-06 21:57:33 UTC  

@Steeler26 The military sends ballots across the ocean, and between states.

2020-12-06 21:57:46 UTC  

Wow NORML. That's been around since I was in high school.

2020-12-06 21:58:12 UTC  

I haven't a lot they got to keep that other green rolling in...

2020-12-06 21:58:39 UTC  

First that came up to Google search

2020-12-06 21:58:48 UTC  

One could argue using the mail in general is also a federal issue.

2020-12-06 21:59:06 UTC  

That's true

2020-12-06 21:59:13 UTC  

I mean, it's a federal institution, so yes?

2020-12-06 21:59:25 UTC  

Any kind of fraud in the mail is a federal crime

2020-12-06 21:59:27 UTC  

I would say yes.

2020-12-06 21:59:40 UTC  

In fact that's politicians get busted for sometimes when soliciting for funds

2020-12-06 22:01:49 UTC  

@busillis not a State Election Process Crime though. Even if I mailed it
If the Malfeasance happened after the mailing and not part of the violation
Not a Federal Crime.

2020-12-06 22:01:53 UTC  

There are a bunch of states that filed amicus briefs in the pre election PA case. Can’t just change something because you want to.

2020-12-06 22:03:26 UTC  

Think you are right

2020-12-06 22:04:14 UTC  

I think it is funny how - in the fist case, the legislature is suing Boockvar for exceeding her authority granted in Act 77 - clearly on the basis that they believed Act 77 was a valid, enforceable law - they did not question the constitutionality of Act 77 in that original case. There were competing provisions - one that said the Sec of State had the obligation to do everything possible to ensure a safe, secure, legal election. And another that said that mail-in ballots had to be received by 8PM on election day. Given the extenuating circumstances Boockvar believed that honoring her obligation allowed her to temporarily extend the mail-in ballot deadline.

In the Kelly v PA/Boockvar case, they are asserting that Act 77 is unconstitutional because it adds the no-excuse mail-in voting option, which is not specified in the PA Constitution. They are not arguing that it is unconstitutional because it changed. They are saying Act 77, as originally enacted, is unconstitutional. An assertion they did not make in the original case.

2020-12-06 22:04:54 UTC  

The federal government does go after some specific types of voter fraud

2020-12-06 22:05:18 UTC  

As well as other election related crimes.

2020-12-06 22:05:27 UTC  

@TaLoN132 Last I checked it was unconstitutional because the legislation changed via the court, and not the legislation.

2020-12-06 22:05:34 UTC  

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2020-12-06 22:05:57 UTC  

The federal government probably won't bring charges if it costs more to litigate than what it's worth...