Message from @William Dinan

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2020-12-13 20:21:06 UTC  

Same goes for defamation/libel.

2020-12-13 20:21:11 UTC  

A Prime example of Nuance....

2020-12-13 20:21:23 UTC  

It's the like, pen ultimate defense.

2020-12-13 20:21:33 UTC  

Unless you called the wrong operator and they're having a really bad day.

2020-12-13 20:21:34 UTC  

Well.... that was just an example the court used.

Not ALL speech is protected by the Constitution. While it is interpreted broadly there are lots of utterances that are not protected.

2020-12-13 20:21:37 UTC  

I tried handling nuance. It didn't take.

2020-12-13 20:22:41 UTC  

So basically its not that the utterance (word or phrase) is ILLEGAL.... its whether or not it is protected by the first Amendment.

2020-12-13 20:22:41 UTC  

Don't take the Example as Absolute. There are Nuances in Law.

2020-12-13 20:23:19 UTC  

Well yes, I'm pretty sure everyone knows there are exceptions to the first amendment.

2020-12-13 20:23:41 UTC  
2020-12-13 20:23:43 UTC  

Page 1 of 48 for a trial. Should I press A to accept that I've read it.

Who ...tf reads a star wars xbox video game user agreement?

How are these not one sentence? We are going to collect your data, and you're going to like it.

2020-12-13 20:23:44 UTC  

It's the Panic you caused by a Lie or Deception.

2020-12-13 20:24:18 UTC  

Causing a panic that gets a bunch of people hurt can be charged as "disorderly conduct" or something like that... so its the act not the word that is illegal.

But some might try to say well the First Amendment protects me because I can say whatever I want.

2020-12-13 20:24:39 UTC  

Actually no.... even lies can be protected speech by the 1st Amendment

2020-12-13 20:24:46 UTC  

My point being context is 👑

2020-12-13 20:25:05 UTC  

Exactly, and you can't use Free Speech as a Defense.

2020-12-13 20:25:52 UTC  

Pretty sure it's a far more serious charge than disorderly conduct.

2020-12-13 20:26:01 UTC  

It is actually very commonly excepted that the free speech protection in the First Amendment can protect lies.... Just watch Tucker Carlson or Hannity

2020-12-13 20:26:05 UTC  

hehe

2020-12-13 20:26:08 UTC  

Your honor. I said give me the money to the clerk to exercise my first amendment right! I wasn't trying to rob the bank!!

2020-12-13 20:26:31 UTC  

If your Lie causes Damages it's not Protected.

2020-12-13 20:26:57 UTC  

Obviously, I am just being funny about Tucker Carlson.... but it is absolutely true that Lies can be protected Speech

2020-12-13 20:27:00 UTC  

Unless your name is Jussie Smollette (sp?)

2020-12-13 20:27:17 UTC  

Just an example of what the charges would look like.

2020-12-13 20:27:25 UTC  

It can very well be a fairly serious felony.

2020-12-13 20:27:35 UTC  

Depending on how it ends up playing out.

2020-12-13 20:27:45 UTC  
2020-12-13 20:27:46 UTC  

White Lie (Pun intended).

2020-12-13 20:28:39 UTC  

Whaaaaaaaa!?!?!?!

2020-12-13 20:28:43 UTC  

I read your post too fast and began replying 😂. I read it and processed mentally (legality) missed the damage (cost) part.

2020-12-13 20:28:56 UTC  

No. I disagree. I think the lies that Tucker Carlson spreads cause all manner of harm but some of it is protected.

We also have to understand that I (a private person) cannot generally violate your First Amendment rights by keeping you from saying something.

2020-12-13 20:29:09 UTC  

Haha I know 👀

2020-12-13 20:29:09 UTC  

Not entirely true.

2020-12-13 20:29:18 UTC  

They finally got this woman in custody to question her... it's about time... at least we know that they're doing something

2020-12-13 20:29:34 UTC  

Make Chicago Great Again!

2020-12-13 20:29:43 UTC  

Baby steps 😍

2020-12-13 20:29:54 UTC  

😂

2020-12-13 20:29:56 UTC  

That's all we can hope for... lol...

2020-12-13 20:30:44 UTC  

Remember, in the context of law, a lie isn't a determiner of intent. It's a stated falsehood of which a belief system exists, or there is gross negligence.