@macsen your great great great grand parents would marvel at all the stuff you could do in a day that for them would take months

Or years

That's not the government though James.

I’m talking about actual tangible freedoms

Freedoms from the government have degraded over time with the exception of 1919.

The same thing was said after the invention of the Printing Press.

Governments gave us regulations to prevent factories from destroying our lakes

Or that medicine and food is relatively edible at the store

Oooh another one 😍

To prevent black people from being equal in society. I wouldn't walk down this road.

You don't want to walk down the road of the government is benevolent.

I would have to agree that there are technologies that exist today that did not then. However, from speaking to my grandfather about his starting a business and a family at age 23 it was easier to do so back then by far.

@macsen, you just advanced to level 3!

Yes many conservatives were against that and many conservatives in government were against that . The liberals of the day won that battle @Maw

@William Dinan true but there are how many printing companies? at least one per country. There is almost no realistic international competition

What's to stop someone from trying to do that again?

And if they did, and the citizens had no weapons, then what?

Yer fucked lol?

@macsen it was easier but was the consumer protected? You could sell a guy a broken house back then and skip town with no consequences

@Phil. If you read Ben Franklin's autobiography you will find that 200+ years ago there were already multiple printers in major cities. That quickly expanded into multiple languages ect

@Maw they didn’t just take away the rights of black people, they were seen as second class citizens prior to the civil rights acts. The civil rights act broke the old paradigm that existed before. The government didn’t create that it was already the status quo

@macsen yes its what i am saying. You have gone from thousands of capitalists to just a handful.

@james j. The consumer was protected by the community, people dealt with each other based on famiky name

Bro jim crow laws literally existed, what?

How if they skipped town @macsen

Are you sure you're a lefty?

@Maw yes because of the current social paradigm

Who pushed the Civil Rights Act?

The government did not create that attitude in people @Maw

@William Dinan liberals , non southerners

Yet Trump exists.

Hm.

@james j You didn't deal with those who weren't from your town or you did so at your own risk. It works well on the small scale, obviously not for large corporations.

Conservatives. Liberty seekers.

Yes , so what does trump have to do with the prevalent attitude of how society felt about black people back then @Maw

@William Dinan yes liberals of their time. Today’s liberal is tomorrow’s conservative

Do you not think it has a reflection on society now?

Like, I can't believe how you're turning yourself into a pretzel over this.

I don’t think your are following

I am following.