The problem is nothing is free though. Pay me now or pay me later but ultimately payment has to occur. That's the problem with the stimulus and that's the problem with the boosted unemployment benefits. It has to be paid at some point. Unfortunately it will probably be paid in the worst way possible and that is through the destruction of the US dollar.

@MyxnamesxjEff25, you just advanced to level 3!

Ok. So now I am in over my head maybe. I watched as closely as I could. Banks did not get a bail out. States got funding n while we were rationing PPEs at the hospital, all the roads were fixed. I had to buy my own PPEs at times but boy, I tell you, the drive to work was smoooothe. Nice roads. Just an observation. I am pretty pissed about it all but FBI did investigate and cut many corporations off from what I know. And when New York wanted 40,000 ventilators...No, Governor wanted $ for 40,000 ventilators, govt oversight found ventilators in a warehouse in New Jersey n they never even used them all. So it appears they were trying to watch budget and have much $ left over from initial bundle released for Covid. That is how I see it but I could be wrong. I am watching closely the whole healthcare thing. Prescription prices going down. Trump has been better for healthcare than last 2 presidents. Just what I observed. I could be wrong.

free aint free for sure

Free ain't free for sure. Waiting for other shoe to drop certainly

@meglide if the choice is between businesses and families going under , starving and big non vulnerable businesses the former is preferable. You are just bringing up a broader point that has existed for decades.

So RoseRN what city are you in?

I should say though that hospitals got $ too. Was pretty good last winter. Not so sure right now. 1200 dollars for every american is well deserved co spidering companies will certainly be grabbing more than that for themselves, further disenfranchising the average person out there no matter what.

I'm no worse off than before and haven't personally seen anyone lose their job, business or home because of covid restrictions. Also I've been going to work every day and making a shitpile of money. By science denial/conspiracy/alt-fact logic, all of this hysteria about 'lockdowns' is a rightist hoax, designed to bring down Biden. Plus I get to make up arbitrary numbers to support any claim I wish, like '99.99% of people survive lockdowns, therefore it's harmless.' People whining about economic strife are either lazy or can't figure out how to get their act together.

Any data which conflicts with this assessment is rightist lies cuz 'The Right' and 'RWM'. Numbers reported include things like being fired for sucking at your job or being insufferably obnoxious to coworkers about Trump's election loss failure.

Am in Phoenix, Arizona. Working in Scottsdale.

Im in Arkansas

@RoseRN why would banks get a bail out? Corporations did. At the expense of the average person and small businesses. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/03/23/house-democrats-stimulus-senate-coronavirus-145388


PPE should have been created using the defense production act early, like in feb or March to prepare. We actually had a plan to send ppe directly to people via the mail.

Yes. Has existed for decades. Optimistic that things would or will get better

People being people will grab whatever they can get. Where is the "we are all in this together attitude" could it be old fashion greed.

countries have spent billions (the uk £350billion so far, about 1/3 of the annual GDP), europe has spent 750billion euros. this has prevented mass unemployment because its conditional on the workers not getting fired. at some point this will have to be paid back...

Ok so Zulu, I get it. Totally do, I think. Hysteria fomenting for sure. Can't judge though. I think initially, there wasn't time to discern who should get what n Trump did not want people to slip through the cracks if he could help it. I do not want to overthink it n good for you, making a s__t ton of money. America, baby. Is why we have govt. I would not want to be the one to make these decisions to affect lives. What I HAVE learned from all this is how much power and control each states Governors have n learning what they do with it is very interesting. Seems like many governors are really looking bad right now. Is a good thing

@RoseRN Trump should have bullied McConnell in to getting a more long term human centric bill

yeah its all hysteria

He finally made a good deal back in sept or oct which is when pelosi then played politics and refused @RoseRN

Which corporations? Did it allow for PPP of thousands of American employees? It's responsible to supply coverage by the thousands, debt forgiveness and programs and committees to relocate small business workforce ect. Unless big corporations were pocketing the money and furloughing employees by the thousands then they need to be investigated and brought to justice but I doubt that's the case. Wonder how much forgiveness was given to Chinese companies.

Money for people is useless. They need jobs!

James, not sure why banks would but it seems they thought they would get relief. Not my call. As for PPEs, Trump said he was left with nothing from previous administrations. Got the ball rolling, etc. I did hear something about bidding for PPEs n some states did not get a fair deal. So from govt to state to hospital to CEO to administration to the workers. I may not know much at all. This is how I saw it.

Does were not cooperating w Trump early on

@Phil Lies, all lies. That graph is part of a rightist propaganda campaign meant to suppress the left. 'Do your research.' Patriots won't tolerate it. Murica.

@inwa Walmart is basically a Chinese corporation. People couldn’t work during the lock down hence the need for a stimulus check to keep you afloat

James, thx for clips/ links. Will check em out later. Gotta get ready for work some time soon

its from the ONS https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp

Thx for graph, Phil.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpmonthlyestimateuk/june2020

@Phil They have been compromised and are now rightist shills, thus rendering my position unassailable. Next.

Who is contesting the economy took a turn for the worst. I mean the stock market did well. I feel bad for the people that sold

Last I heard, Inwa, Trump stopped all funding or $ going to China if it had any link to military? Beyond that, don't know

Thx Zulu

the usa is just as bad, https://www.statista.com/statistics/188185/percent-change-from-preceding-period-in-real-gdp-in-the-us/

> Who is contesting the economy took a turn for the worst. I mean the stock market did well. I feel bad for the people that sold
@james j Yeah, it's almost like the stock market isn't a *perfect* metric for determining how well people are doing. Almost. Lol

We stopped funding research on bats and coronavirus in China @RoseRN

@Zuluzeit right

the stock market is inflated by a small number of huge companies, companies that do very well when everyone is locked down

Yes billionaires made a ton of money during the lockdowns

Sweet