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but he wasn't the first to impose an income tax
@nido I mean it’s possible for us to agree on facts but have fundamental differences in how evaluate the facts.
@RobertGrulerEsq isn't congress in charge of Taxation? how is it fair to judge Wilson for what congress(the people) decided?
That's a fair question.
Lol you guys are asking a lot of guy to write a philosophical defense on a random question in a chat. 😂
we can post cat pictures if you want
I don’t know Robert’s position but in my ranking the worst presidents are going to be people who expanded the power of federal government when it wasn’t necessary for the government to protect public interest or its obligation to the public.
@NidoGod With Wilson, I'm not a fan of his fiscal policies generally speaking but agree he was part of a major national conversation on the issues and was part of a wave. But he signed the new major tax policies into law and was responsible for enforcing them. He's generally credited with laying the foundation of the modern tax framework, which is what I don't like. So he gets the blame! And @Auto Presidents typically set the agendas and have the opportunity to veto unworthy bills.
fair enough
Still surprised noone said FDR thought everyone hated the boomers these days...
FDR on the list and also not a fan, due to his major expansions of government basically everywhere plus his attempt to pack the court.
@RobertGrulerEsq Wasn't there a dire need of new money flowing in at the time?
Also what do you thinka bout James Polk
Except tycoons had Wilson's head over a barrel to implement the Federal Reserve. Greatest crime against Americans in our history and he had no choice. But for that, the rest would have been moot.
Gypsy wdym?
You are talking about new money, I interpreted this as monetary policy in response to the Depression?
nah but like
why would they implement a new tax
if there was no need for money
people would surely be against that
The need for money is inexhaustible.
So it’s not a good way to evaluate whether taxation is good or not lol
The need for money is inexhaustible because it's not a zero sum game, by design. Itnhas been that way since 1913.
we were still on the gold standard in the 30s
Economics is not a zero sum game regardless of any central bank.
Which is good
thinking i would be saying JFK if had gotten a chance to finish. You know the thing...
Because in zero sum games someone must lose for someone to win.
Losing the gold standard was a foregone conclusion when we created an inflationary economy.
I want a new James Polk
shamelessly conquer the world
plz
Lol
also do it in one term and then die right after
The gold standard was a physical, intrinsic reference for value.