@NIDo and then it was amended and the Wilson signed it into law. Plus he just did a lot of other invasive political acts to expand government. Not a fan.

Wilson had some bad things go down. WW1 and the pandemic. Tough times.

but he wasn't the first to impose an income tax

@nido I mean it’s possible for us to agree on facts but have fundamental differences in how evaluate the facts.

@RobertGrulerEsq isn't congress in charge of Taxation? how is it fair to judge Wilson for what congress(the people) decided?

@NidoGod *

That's a fair question.

Lol you guys are asking a lot of guy to write a philosophical defense on a random question in a chat. 😂

we can post cat pictures if you want

@NidoGod more of a dog person

@Gypsy get off the internet, this is the cat's domain

I don’t know Robert’s position but in my ranking the worst presidents are going to be people who expanded the power of federal government when it wasn’t necessary for the government to protect public interest or its obligation to the public.

@NidoGod noted lol

@NidoGod With Wilson, I'm not a fan of his fiscal policies generally speaking but agree he was part of a major national conversation on the issues and was part of a wave. But he signed the new major tax policies into law and was responsible for enforcing them. He's generally credited with laying the foundation of the modern tax framework, which is what I don't like. So he gets the blame! And @Auto Presidents typically set the agendas and have the opportunity to veto unworthy bills.

fair enough

Still surprised noone said FDR thought everyone hated the boomers these days...

FDR on the list and also not a fan, due to his major expansions of government basically everywhere plus his attempt to pack the court.

@RobertGrulerEsq Wasn't there a dire need of new money flowing in at the time?

Also what do you thinka bout James Polk

@Auto Are you talking about the GD?

Except tycoons had Wilson's head over a barrel to implement the Federal Reserve. Greatest crime against Americans in our history and he had no choice. But for that, the rest would have been moot.

Gypsy wdym?

You are talking about new money, I interpreted this as monetary policy in response to the Depression?

nah but like

why would they implement a new tax

if there was no need for money

people would surely be against that

The need for money is inexhaustible.

So it’s not a good way to evaluate whether taxation is good or not lol

The need for money is inexhaustible because it's not a zero sum game, by design. Itnhas been that way since 1913.

we were still on the gold standard in the 30s

Economics is not a zero sum game regardless of any central bank.

Which is good

thinking i would be saying JFK if had gotten a chance to finish. You know the thing...

Because in zero sum games someone must lose for someone to win.

Losing the gold standard was a foregone conclusion when we created an inflationary economy.

@Zuluzeit yes I'd like to know what went down in the backrooms between Wilson and the power brokers.. @Auto such a big question!

I want a new James Polk

shamelessly conquer the world

plz

Lol