Just look at 2016.

You can't stop the country from functioning for the next few years.

If the ballots were illegal then that invalidates them.

The same sort of ideology of "if you did nothing wrong, there is nothing to worry about" came with the PATRIOT act as well, keep that in mind.

If they change the numbers the opposite direction then that can call into question how far it went

I'm not saying don't do investigations.

I'm saying we can't stop the country from functioning until those investigations are over.

The problem is if they certify them and it turns out wrong it creates a constitutional problem with multiple amendments to the constitution of the country and in turn the states

As much as this is going to be an (unfortunate) hot take, until we can prove election fraud at a level that changed the results of the election, we have to assume people are innocent (big part) until we have enough credible evidence to prove that the election results themselves are significantly in question.

This, from what I've seen so far, is not going to stop Biden from taking office on January 20th.

I am curious if us lay people can sue those states in question since it will effect us. I think harm can be shown there processes violated the normal process and violated our constitutional rights in regards to the election

I don't think there is adequate proof of wide-scale voter fraud at the moment.

We can safely assume there is going to be fraud in every election.

To what level is the ultimate question.

And I don't think standard citizens will be able to sue the states if there are no injured parties.

And the burden of proof will be enormous.

Like, if you know for a fact your ballot was improperly unsealed and whatnot, then I think you'd have standing to sue the government, otherwise I don't think you do. I could be wrong, I'm not an attorney, I just watch a lot of legal stuff and have a few paralegal friends in real life.

But I know standing is very, very important.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/standing You can read about what standing is here.

We all know standing is important.

> I'm not saying don't do investigations.
@Maw It won't stop the country from running. DJ Trump is still running the show until January

Yes and ideally he will think he has a chance until 01/20/21. That way he won't be able to run around spitefully pulling lynch pins during a 2-month tantrum.

I always think it’s telling when people believe that Trump is actually a moron who engages in public tantrums. Like I expect them to follow it up with an explanation of how The Rock won Monday Night Raw after being betrayed by Vince McMahon 😂

@Gypsy Maybe they see his cerebellar gait, analyse his vocabulary and deduce from there?

Is it odd that after certain states passed laws expanding emergency powers that Walmart starts setting up Pickup services 6 months ahead of COVID and starts ordering groceries online just as isolated cases appear in the US.

If standing was so import, judges wouldn't sit on chairs.

@Gypsy_Warlord @Doc You can pretend he doesn't display, unapologetically, public tantrums nearly daily (litany of petty schoolgirl twitter rants notwithstanding.) It's not inconceivable that losing the election could trigger such a person more than criticism from Rosie O'Donnell would. It's not coming out of nowhere and blind denial doesn't invalidate anything.

Parse that how you wish. You're being disingenuous.

Tf are you saying?

Every prediction I've mad about Trump came true. What are you predicting?

I'm saying his vindictive nature is obvious and undeniable and when coupled with his penchant for whimsical executive orders and policy moods, the Supreme Court could end up playing whack-a-mole with his outbursts during a time of already significant turmoil. I'm also saying you can, of course, disagree but pretending you have no idea at all from whence this concern is coming is plainly disingenuous on its face.

And so it begins...Trump is already talking about firing a bunch of people who were apparently acceptable to help run the country until he got angry. But yeah, no basis for indicating he has a spiteful nature. Thanks for the guidance, guys.

@Zuluzeit that would be very frustrating and annoying if trump does something like that. Who is he thinking of firing? Link?

I don't know how to post links. Hang on. Let me go listen again.

https://youtu.be/sHOEJzFCufg

That was easier than I thought. The part about his remaining time starts at around 5:10. I had already thought this stuff since I posted last night.

Why the hell do we require ID to get on an airplane but not to vote?

Because airplanes are dangerous and politicans are not... Also IDs can be held by non-citizen. It's all a big mess, you would almost think it was intentional

@Zuluzeit Just out of curiosity, where do you have me categorized?

@Doc Gatekeeper - Arbiter of Qualification

We see a lot of that on the left and very rarely on the right, which makes you somewhat of an anomaly.

@Zuluzeit I am neither