My views are, everyone has the right to belief as they wish. Everyone has the right to say what they wish as long as it doesn't interfere with another persons rights. I may not like something you say, but I'll defend your right to say it.

You're in the right place...

There are some very strong opinions here, but my experience so far is that everyone is respectful.

I'm from CA and I haven't been ostracized yet... so, they are really accepting. Or they take pity on me.

I'll take it either way.

Oh, TaLoN132 is TK2. That makes sense now.

And just like the 2020 General Election. When it comes right down to it, it doesn't really matter who wins. What is of paramount importance is preserving the sanctity and integrity of the election. If the elections are wrought with fraud or wrong-doing, then investigate and audit the election. It makes no logical sense to try to oppose looking into allegations of fraud. If no fraud is found and all LEGAL votes counted and verified, it will do one of two things. Vindicate the honesty of one side or expose them. Election integrity is non-partisan.

okay more Covid legal thoughts ... you approach a business and there's a sign on the door that says please wear a mask or face covering when entering, well is that a violation of your rights? no, that is the business owner asserting their private property rights, same goes if they say you need to wear shirt and shoes, if a fancy restaurant requires a jacket and tie ... it doesn't matter why they're saying it as long as it applies to everyone without distinction, if you wish to enter you should abide by their rules ... friend of mine disagreed saying they wouldn't have the sign for wearing a mask except for the state government but I claim you then have a beef with the government and take it up with them but don't put a private property owner in middle ... he or she is just trying to earn a living

I'm still looking for people opposing fraud investigation though. I'm sure there must be some but I haven't seen any.

Oh, they are out there. There are some who will say, "Biden won, get over it," or similar.

Seen plenty not accepting what is found but no opposition to looking.

I don't think saying Biden won is tantamount to saying anyone is not allowed to look though.

Personally, I am not registered as Democrat nor Republican. But I do hear every election cycle that votes have been switched from Republican to Democrat by the machine. America needs to just go back to the "old way" and use only paper ballots. Paper can be recycled, afterall...

most of social media is opposing the investigation

They can even insist that there is nothing to find but that still isn't opposition to investigating.

Nothing relevant to an investigation can be found in or relies upon social media.

There are officials that oppose a recount or audit. Why oppse something that will vindicate them if they are in the right and honest?

Agreed... But with 154M people voting, there is a level of fidelity that has to be good enough. It seems that there have been a bunch of people coming forward to get their 15 minutes and it makes it really hard to separate the wheat from the chaff. There may well be significant fraud, but there is so many rumors and conspiracy theories muddying the water. Many of us here, have decided to focus on what we can find in court filings, affidavits, and rulings - and be skeptical of things that are being paraded in the court of public opinion.

@TaLoN132, you just advanced to level 18!

@Bey I agree that methods should be modified to put as many people's minds at ease as possible. I think educating about what's in place would help too.

I'm NOT accepting (yet?) what is claimed about what has been found ... there are claims of coordinated widespread fraud but haven't seen compelling evidence of such, more importantly such evidence doesn't seem to have presented in court and even those claims of fraud don't seem to have been made in court

People on the left swear that the opposite it true, too. Peope say a lot of things.

Here in my very rural neck of the woods in Oklahoma, when I went to vote on November 3, the vote machine scan thingy was down. Never thought anything of it.

This county is very Libertarian.

I think the debate on what are reasonable restrictions is going to outlive CoVid itself.

@meglide I'm talking about things like sharpiegate, trucking in half a million rigged ballots, counters filling in empty bubbles, etc. Some people haven't let go of those and a ton more.

@TaLoN132 In light of the Lefts behavior for the past 4 years leaves very little to allow one to trust anything they say.

I would hope that some meaningful legislation might come out of all this ... saying someone needs to wear a mask when in potentially crowded public spaces is one thing, saying a business cannot operate at all is another

Hmmm... As a centrist and an information nerd, I spend quite a bit of time in both the right and left wing echo chambers. The list of grievances on the left about Trump and his supporters is at least equal to those on the right regarding the left. I have never seen it so divided and both sides are absolutely certain that they have the moral high ground.

@TaLoN132 Notice it's 'The Left' (monolith) and Trump though. They aren't equivalent discourse entities.

also seems that some limits on executive power need enforced ... executive orders that carry the force of law need to be outlawed but the legislative branch

And there are some mandates require people to wear masks inside their own homes!

@Bey, you just advanced to level 4!

wow haven't seen one of those ... that would definitely be an overstep

All in all, the government of today has seriously gone beyond it's Constitutional limits. All political factions are guilty of it.

There are some that incorrectly believe that the People's Rights derive from the Constitution. That is the furthest from the truth! The Constitution places limitations upon the government by the People. Somewhere along the way, it because reversed...

preach

I completely agree... But I also think that the majority of those in the position to make these calls are sincere in wanting to make the right decision. I have a feeling that if I were in the same position, I would err on the side of caution - not out of malice, but concern. Here in CA, 99%+ are complying with wearing masks in public. This weekend, there were about 400 protesters in Huntington Beach that voiced their opposition to a curfew imposed by our governor. The pictures in the media made it look like CA was revolting. 400 people in a city of 200K - which is in the middle of a county of 3.2M.

Unfortunately this is 100% true

more importantly, the Constirution defined what the Government CAN NOT DO

Maybe it was because they chose to call the first 10 amendments the Bill of Rights....