Oh yes I think I answered that one

(the abbreviated version)

I got on late just now listening. How is you tube as a platform channel deciding what can be discussed? Isn't that another type of censoring?

That was an amusing moment. I did not expect that argument to win.

They gave us some loose guidelines @FreeAmerican - we are all still trying to find where that line is.

Yeah, I wish there was a way to automatically refund people.

@RobertGrulerEsq Is there a reason they haven't arrested people to help prove their case?

@RobertGrulerEsq Thanks for being gentle... I appreciate it.

Thank you Robert. Feels like day by day we are somehow losing freedom of speech

@TaLoN132 Most people were supportive of your criticism, so you should feel good!

I appreciate the comment @TaLoN132 thanks for letting me share.

My trust of Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Patreon, etc is pretty non-existent.

Does feel that way @FreeAmerican

@TaLoN132 Robert is a professional at tact or he could not be a lawyer.

well they've been making money with their free/open platforms and now they want to edit content but still not be held accountable ... have cake and eat it too

Thanks... I was not able to watch the chat, so that is good to know.

@RobertGrulerEsq are you a fan of inrangetv or forgotten weapons? they are based out of AZ

I've not heard of them @ImNotGas

People have to realize that asking Robert to forgo all of his (and Ms. Faith's) efforts to grow this channel is selfish in my opinion. I'm not going to white knight for you, but that's the main issue that bugs me.

Our channel is a huge part of our business and responsible for employing 21 people. I can't act recklessly with the channel. If it was just my channel, that'd be a different story. But I have other people to think about.

My pleasure...

I was curious - Do you think that YouTube might be trying to show what things might be like if S230 is repealed? Wouldn't they have to censor everything if they lost their protections? Making people experience the pain of that censorship now might help garner support for keeping S230 protections in place.

@RobertGrulerEsq definitely reccomend checking them out if you are into firearms. Forgotten weapons finds old, strange, or weird firearms and details their development and engineering, inrangetv is more for shooting sports like 2gun. They collaborated with a company to bring back polymer lowers for ARs

@TaLoN132 it is a good point and a valid concern. YouTube has the money to fend off the lawsuits. Start ups (like parler / rumble) don't. So it may actually hurt alternatives sites, not help.

@TaLoN132 I actually have been worried about this

I found the channel when the Rittenhouse incident went down and greatly appreciated @RobertGrulerEsq analysis of what I had watched live ... with the election and the following litigation the channel exploded but I think some of that will go away once the litigation is done ... I'll still be here though

^

yeah the political cheerleaders will go away and it will calm down

unless trump somehow pulls out a win

that will be... entertaining to watch what hapens online

probably a few more rittenhouse like cases to analyze

Not to mention I think de-platforming yourself is the biggest sort of self-destructive behavior you could think of.
"Ah yes. I'll show it to the system by removing all of my influence and my ability to attempt and get my truth out there. Excellent."
I should be a little more gentle with how I'm wording this but it's irksome. It's probably just today.

yes @ImNotGas this is just an interesting ride we are on for the time being.

Yea that does not make any sense to me @Maw I could "show" YouTube by ..... being cancelled and muted permanently?

The problem is that YT, Google, Patreon, Twitter, Twitch, etc. have been choosing what races, colors, sexes, ethnicities, religions, and political affiliations are allowed to speak for years now. So, there is no difference if 230 is removed. @ImNotGas

@RobertGrulerEsq Exactly.

@RobertGrulerEsq the people demanding you fight and not bow down really dont understand the power that youtube holds in this arrangement

@RobertGrulerEsq they probably legitimately believe anyone could go sue them in a county court

for 1st amendment violations

@RobertGrulerEsq It is not a question of what you can do. It is a matter of what they shall do as soon as they feel like it fits their political agenda.

and the discussion in the discord has been helpful ... @TaLoN132 myself and others have hashed through some of the details of the court cases here and I've found that helpful ... but with all the new people arriving on the server and re-hashing stuff we've been over before it's hard to move forward with new discussion at times ... this too will pass

@Whithers the differense is if 230 is removed there is a possibility where the places that DONT discrimiate as such get drowned in lawsuits and die any time they start to gain any userbase