@meglide I hope 2020 isn't Preluded either

Caused by the greed of Corporatists, which are Establishment Dems, such as Clinton, and RINOs.

Sure... but the most economic upheaval in the last 30 years has occurred during Republican presidencies and none occurred during Democratic ones. Just sayin'...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/05/28/fact-check-do-gop-presidents-oversee-recessions-dems-recoveries/5235957002/

2020 is the preamble for an even more intense action movie called 2021. But now that all the characters have been introduced, the sequal can get down to the action flick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brtfn_a-cO0

has nothing to do with who is president ... at least since Nixon anyway

The citizens held up the edifice of the state until, assimilated by a stronger state. I suppose it was great while it lasted.

Or the media didn't want to juice people up to an upheaval when the Dems were in power. After all, I still remember when my classmates cheered upon hearing the President had been shot.

Actually, the precipitating factor to our current economic woes was Reagan's elimination of the top tax bracket. It has resulted in the largest transfer and accumulation of wealth in history. It was the very thing that our founding fathers worried most about. Average CEO to employee pay has gone from about 14 times to nearly 400 times in the last 40 years.

@busillis civilizations die by suicide, never murder.

@Whithers and @TaLoN132 you can both see the problem but you don't know where the source is

Thanks for the chat. I will someday figure this all out. Night for now

Reagan was the ultimate salesman who convinced a whole generation to vote against their own best interests.

@busillis All that is needed for a state to fail is for its citizens to stop upholding its virtues. How it fails, is the consequence, not the cause.

Suicide by other country?

And I considered myself a Reagan Republican, at the time.

sure. A state can commit suicide by not being able to defend itself against a foreign enemy. @busillis

The cause then, is its inability to defend itself.

That sounds like an indictment of the Left to me.

Incorrect. Those effects did not occur because of Reagan. Reagan's response was the effort to reduce the penalty of blossoming globalism as the teleconference and private jet resulted in the ability of corporatists to manage facilities on the otherside of the globe where they could use slave labor or if forced to pay, pay only 10 cents an hour.

and that's different from the Right how?

I am quite aware of the corporate influence on everything... I have posted about it many times. There are things that occurred to allow that to happen.

@busillis nothing I say now, or in the future can be taken as endorsement of any side of the left-right spectrum. I regard that as a tertiary phenomenon and datapoints, of the same value as a where on a pain chart the patient points.

Despite the status of the state, the foundation, always the people.

not the corporations either

He was the one that paved the way for it to happen....

Enlighten me...

It seems like you're trying to elicit a thoughtful response, I don't know if I'm capable at this juncture. I'll get back to you in a few.

As scheduled in gradual procession to the return of cyclical events.

No, he did not. He was in no way responsible for that technology. He attempted to reduce the penalties on those that found it cheaper to abandon their nation for foreign labor. and the Unions were complicit. They agreed to have their jobs shipped to Sri Lanka if doing so would keep high returns on their profit shares and retirement packages. (The name for Profit Sharing 100 years ago was Microcommunism.)

@busillis nono, just a caveat. I dont view politics as particulary important, other than datapoints with origin in the past.

That is kind of like saying, "I don't consider matter" to be important.

The cause fully understands the consequence.

@Whithers That is possible. Matter is a product of the senses.

Defend?

@Doc That is the exact opposite of reality on a tangent. Senses attempt to detect reality. They do not create it. Existence is regardless of the accuracy of one's awareness of it.

@inwa yes=

Woodrow Wilson, FDR and Nixon ... Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act, FDR ordered citizens to hand over their physical gold at $20/ounce and once they did promptly change it to $35/ounce and Nixon ended the convertibility of the dollar to gold by foreign nations ending the Bretton Woods system agreed to after WW2. This means our currency is fully a fiat currency and the federal government is able to run deficits eternally and the Federal Reserve will monetize the debt. ... Until the crack-up boom.

@Whithers Your world is highy politicized and polerized. Mine is apolitical and full of gray-spectrums. I have nothing bad to say about your world, it just isnt mine. I dont think, however, it is possible for two people with so different understandings of the world around them to have a meaningful discussion.

does anyone know anythign about Gitlab?

? Is that a production facility for a specific stereotype of Englishman?

supposedly that is where the leaked CCP list can be found but I don’t know if it’s a legit site