Message from @Vincentius

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2020-10-31 22:29:12 UTC  

but thats about it

2020-10-31 22:29:22 UTC  

Purgatory is a difference, yes. It was a medieval creation.

2020-10-31 22:29:38 UTC  

They dogmatized it in the 1100s, I believe.

2020-10-31 22:30:05 UTC  

We don’t believe in Catholic purgatory, but the Orthodox *do* believe our souls must actually travel to Heaven. It’s not instant.

2020-10-31 22:30:54 UTC  

Simple run down: Protestantism is 5 solas, its premised on rejecting church authority in favor of private bible-only Christianity.

2020-10-31 22:31:02 UTC  

Purgatory is biblical and patristic

2020-10-31 22:31:26 UTC  

the EO have their own "version" of purgatory called toll houses

2020-10-31 22:32:43 UTC  

The central dividing issue between EO and Catholicism is the papacy due to the schism of 1054

2020-10-31 22:34:00 UTC  

The Prots don’t all hold to the five solas, though. That’s noteworthy.

2020-10-31 22:34:01 UTC  

So EO is kinda like RC lite?

2020-10-31 22:34:06 UTC  

No, not at all.

2020-10-31 22:34:34 UTC  

We’re fundamentally different in our philosophies and understandings of God, the Trinity, and many other things.

2020-10-31 22:34:42 UTC  

The “Catholics without a Pope” meme is misleading.

2020-10-31 22:34:47 UTC  

We share 1000 years of history so there's similarities, but since then there have been developments

2020-10-31 22:34:50 UTC  

We are far more conciliar.

2020-10-31 22:35:03 UTC  

Yes, that’s a better description. Similar on the surface but we are *very* different.

2020-10-31 22:35:31 UTC  

You’re scratching the surface right now. Wait until you get into Palamas and Aquinas.

2020-10-31 22:36:32 UTC  

The Orthodox reject papal supremacy, the Filioque, Catholic purgatory, mortal/venial distinction, shaved priests, the idea of developing doctrine, and using unleavened bread in the Eucharist to name a few talking points.

2020-10-31 22:36:39 UTC  

Palamism and Thomism are not serious, irreconcilable differences

2020-10-31 22:36:53 UTC  

They are, but that’s neither here nor there.

2020-10-31 22:36:57 UTC  

do you watch Jay Dyer?

2020-10-31 22:37:01 UTC  

Sometimes.

2020-10-31 22:37:12 UTC  

you should stop watching him

2020-10-31 22:37:17 UTC  

I am aware of aquinas but have not read any books and my experience with apologetics thus far has been just watching yt vids/debates with like ravi, lennox, WLC, etc

2020-10-31 22:37:34 UTC  

I don’t really take much value in a Catholic telling me to stop watching Dyer.

2020-10-31 22:38:05 UTC  

He’s not even my main source lol.

2020-10-31 22:38:11 UTC  

Even if you're EO he's extremely belligerent and a terrible representative of the faith

2020-10-31 22:38:23 UTC  

One can see the good in him.

2020-10-31 22:39:01 UTC  

Whatever good is overshadowed by his ego-mania

2020-10-31 22:39:08 UTC  

Fr. Spyridon, Fr. Josiah Trenham, Fr. John Behr are pretty good.

2020-10-31 22:39:24 UTC  

If dirty hands give you money, it’s still money.

2020-10-31 22:39:48 UTC  

Thats the sin of avarice

2020-10-31 22:40:18 UTC  

You’re being petty and dishonest at this point. It’s a metaphor. Your own Pope is a modernist and heretic according to most, yet you still submit to his authority. It’s the same line of reasoning.

2020-10-31 22:40:36 UTC  

There it is

2020-10-31 22:41:13 UTC  

There’s nothing left to say. You just want me to be angry. God bless you, friend.

2020-10-31 22:42:27 UTC  

oof

2020-10-31 22:43:11 UTC  

@Indra Im sry bro but I dont accept friends or dm's unless I know the person irl

2020-10-31 22:43:45 UTC  

Its just an opsec procedure I have

2020-10-31 22:44:21 UTC  

@Deleted User if you have questions about the Catholic faith you're welcome to join the server "Catholic Community Chat"

2020-10-31 22:46:58 UTC  

I think id rather stay here

2020-10-31 23:09:13 UTC  

@Vincentius Hey sorry for the ping but, you seem pretty knowledge about Catholic teachings. I'm a Protestant but, is there anything resource-wise you'd recommend for someone who wants to give Catholicism a fair shake?