Message from @Indra

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2020-10-31 22:25:14 UTC  

So you want to know what Catholicism and Orthodxy are, eh?

2020-10-31 22:25:22 UTC  

I am a bit hesitant about following any particular denomination atm primarily because I am rather ill-informed and dont want to be led astray

2020-10-31 22:25:34 UTC  

You seem to have had a similar upbringing to me. I was raised as some sort of Evangelical/Baptist mix.

2020-10-31 22:25:58 UTC  

Well, friend, the issue is that all denominations are man-made.

2020-10-31 22:26:03 UTC  

Baptists only go back to 1610.

2020-10-31 22:26:14 UTC  

Yeh kinda evangelical/baptist

2020-10-31 22:26:17 UTC  

Presbyterians to about the 1600s.

2020-10-31 22:26:30 UTC  

Non-denominational Christianity is ony about 120ish years only.

2020-10-31 22:26:45 UTC  

But do you know how old God’s Church is? Almost 2,000.

2020-10-31 22:27:07 UTC  

That’s what helped me leave the Prots is knowing that my faith wouldn’t be recognized by my ancestors.

2020-10-31 22:27:31 UTC  

My 5x great grandfather was not a Christian Zionist, for example. He never lived to see that sort of doctrine in Christendom.

2020-10-31 22:27:36 UTC  

Well I guess you could say I am a evangelical/baptist but since I am not sure what the denom of the church we currently go to I just say I am non-denom

2020-10-31 22:27:49 UTC  

So, enough on that.

2020-10-31 22:28:01 UTC  

You want to know the EOC/RCC and their differences, yes?

2020-10-31 22:28:14 UTC  

EOC/RCC?

2020-10-31 22:28:18 UTC  

That’s a can of worms over 1,000 years old. That’s a BIIIIIG topic.

2020-10-31 22:28:30 UTC  

Eastern Orthodox Church and Roman Catholc Church.

2020-10-31 22:29:06 UTC  

The most glaringly obvious difference is the Orthodox reject papal supremacy. We see the Pope as another Bishop who doesn’t have universal jurisdiction.

2020-10-31 22:29:06 UTC  

I know that Catholics think there is purgatory

2020-10-31 22:29:12 UTC  

but thats about it

2020-10-31 22:29:22 UTC  

Purgatory is a difference, yes. It was a medieval creation.

2020-10-31 22:29:38 UTC  

They dogmatized it in the 1100s, I believe.

2020-10-31 22:30:05 UTC  

We don’t believe in Catholic purgatory, but the Orthodox *do* believe our souls must actually travel to Heaven. It’s not instant.

2020-10-31 22:30:54 UTC  

Simple run down: Protestantism is 5 solas, its premised on rejecting church authority in favor of private bible-only Christianity.

2020-10-31 22:31:02 UTC  

Purgatory is biblical and patristic

2020-10-31 22:31:26 UTC  

the EO have their own "version" of purgatory called toll houses

2020-10-31 22:32:43 UTC  

The central dividing issue between EO and Catholicism is the papacy due to the schism of 1054

2020-10-31 22:34:00 UTC  

The Prots don’t all hold to the five solas, though. That’s noteworthy.

2020-10-31 22:34:01 UTC  

So EO is kinda like RC lite?

2020-10-31 22:34:06 UTC  

No, not at all.

2020-10-31 22:34:34 UTC  

We’re fundamentally different in our philosophies and understandings of God, the Trinity, and many other things.

2020-10-31 22:34:42 UTC  

The “Catholics without a Pope” meme is misleading.

2020-10-31 22:34:47 UTC  

We share 1000 years of history so there's similarities, but since then there have been developments

2020-10-31 22:34:50 UTC  

We are far more conciliar.

2020-10-31 22:35:03 UTC  

Yes, that’s a better description. Similar on the surface but we are *very* different.

2020-10-31 22:35:31 UTC  

You’re scratching the surface right now. Wait until you get into Palamas and Aquinas.

2020-10-31 22:36:32 UTC  

The Orthodox reject papal supremacy, the Filioque, Catholic purgatory, mortal/venial distinction, shaved priests, the idea of developing doctrine, and using unleavened bread in the Eucharist to name a few talking points.

2020-10-31 22:36:39 UTC  

Palamism and Thomism are not serious, irreconcilable differences

2020-10-31 22:36:53 UTC  

They are, but that’s neither here nor there.

2020-10-31 22:36:57 UTC  

do you watch Jay Dyer?

2020-10-31 22:37:01 UTC  

Sometimes.