Message from @Indra

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2020-10-31 22:18:25 UTC  

Btw I’ll clarify I’m not an expert on the Orthodox faith and would always point to the clergy for your best bet.

2020-10-31 22:22:15 UTC  

I was raised protestant, my family was not any particular denomination, we used to attend a baptist church but left due to some argument that my parents had with the leaders and then we went to a Presbyterian church(it wasnt like the liberal type) but eventually left that(well my parents did and in turn me) over doctrinal issues, I think this was due to it being too calvinistic, and now we do attend this other church that seems to be baptist(they do baptize people) but afaik they dont openly call themselves "baptist".

So right now I consider myself non-denominational.

2020-10-31 22:23:31 UTC  

and I do want to say I am rather ignorant on the particular Catholicism and Orthodox.

2020-10-31 22:25:14 UTC  

So you want to know what Catholicism and Orthodxy are, eh?

2020-10-31 22:25:22 UTC  

I am a bit hesitant about following any particular denomination atm primarily because I am rather ill-informed and dont want to be led astray

2020-10-31 22:25:34 UTC  

You seem to have had a similar upbringing to me. I was raised as some sort of Evangelical/Baptist mix.

2020-10-31 22:25:58 UTC  

Well, friend, the issue is that all denominations are man-made.

2020-10-31 22:26:03 UTC  

Baptists only go back to 1610.

2020-10-31 22:26:14 UTC  

Yeh kinda evangelical/baptist

2020-10-31 22:26:17 UTC  

Presbyterians to about the 1600s.

2020-10-31 22:26:30 UTC  

Non-denominational Christianity is ony about 120ish years only.

2020-10-31 22:26:45 UTC  

But do you know how old God’s Church is? Almost 2,000.

2020-10-31 22:27:07 UTC  

That’s what helped me leave the Prots is knowing that my faith wouldn’t be recognized by my ancestors.

2020-10-31 22:27:31 UTC  

My 5x great grandfather was not a Christian Zionist, for example. He never lived to see that sort of doctrine in Christendom.

2020-10-31 22:27:36 UTC  

Well I guess you could say I am a evangelical/baptist but since I am not sure what the denom of the church we currently go to I just say I am non-denom

2020-10-31 22:27:49 UTC  

So, enough on that.

2020-10-31 22:28:01 UTC  

You want to know the EOC/RCC and their differences, yes?

2020-10-31 22:28:14 UTC  

EOC/RCC?

2020-10-31 22:28:18 UTC  

That’s a can of worms over 1,000 years old. That’s a BIIIIIG topic.

2020-10-31 22:28:30 UTC  

Eastern Orthodox Church and Roman Catholc Church.

2020-10-31 22:29:06 UTC  

The most glaringly obvious difference is the Orthodox reject papal supremacy. We see the Pope as another Bishop who doesn’t have universal jurisdiction.

2020-10-31 22:29:06 UTC  

I know that Catholics think there is purgatory

2020-10-31 22:29:12 UTC  

but thats about it

2020-10-31 22:29:22 UTC  

Purgatory is a difference, yes. It was a medieval creation.

2020-10-31 22:29:38 UTC  

They dogmatized it in the 1100s, I believe.

2020-10-31 22:30:05 UTC  

We don’t believe in Catholic purgatory, but the Orthodox *do* believe our souls must actually travel to Heaven. It’s not instant.

2020-10-31 22:30:54 UTC  

Simple run down: Protestantism is 5 solas, its premised on rejecting church authority in favor of private bible-only Christianity.

2020-10-31 22:31:02 UTC  

Purgatory is biblical and patristic

2020-10-31 22:31:26 UTC  

the EO have their own "version" of purgatory called toll houses

2020-10-31 22:32:43 UTC  

The central dividing issue between EO and Catholicism is the papacy due to the schism of 1054

2020-10-31 22:34:00 UTC  

The Prots don’t all hold to the five solas, though. That’s noteworthy.

2020-10-31 22:34:01 UTC  

So EO is kinda like RC lite?

2020-10-31 22:34:06 UTC  

No, not at all.

2020-10-31 22:34:34 UTC  

We’re fundamentally different in our philosophies and understandings of God, the Trinity, and many other things.

2020-10-31 22:34:42 UTC  

The “Catholics without a Pope” meme is misleading.

2020-10-31 22:34:47 UTC  

We share 1000 years of history so there's similarities, but since then there have been developments

2020-10-31 22:34:50 UTC  

We are far more conciliar.

2020-10-31 22:35:03 UTC  

Yes, that’s a better description. Similar on the surface but we are *very* different.

2020-10-31 22:35:31 UTC  

You’re scratching the surface right now. Wait until you get into Palamas and Aquinas.

2020-10-31 22:36:32 UTC  

The Orthodox reject papal supremacy, the Filioque, Catholic purgatory, mortal/venial distinction, shaved priests, the idea of developing doctrine, and using unleavened bread in the Eucharist to name a few talking points.

2020-10-31 22:36:39 UTC  

Palamism and Thomism are not serious, irreconcilable differences