Your good at strawmanning

Lord.

But you don't hold evidence for your claims about people

im not going to debate religion, period, love your own and respect the others is where i draw the line

yet another message that doesn’t matter, Abe. stop trying to win debate class. it is clear as day you will say anything to avoid trying what you refuse to try

@hawk jungle yes 👍

I'm not trying to win anything

Yes, but we can have civil discourse regarding religion while regarding that fact as a moral necessity.

I'm trying to defend my reputation

Nothing to win, Let God be true and every man a liar

😃

True?

You think I want miracles and logic to help define god

You have nothing to defend Abe you have always been kind

Idk where you got that from

ever heard of “don’t knock it until you try it?” your reputation, my reputation, these things are meaningless. truth is what matters, and the truth is that temptations destroy societies and they destroy souls. you cannot see until you resist them

Defining God ends up having some rather bad positions being defended

God does not need us to defend Him

Prove the existence of the soul

God's existence does.

That's why there's such a thing as civil discourse regarding God and an entire section of Philosophy for God.

Theology

i can prove that everything Jesus said about how to live righteously is a good idea. You will not be able to see the spiritual side of life until you do this. you are possessed, and do not have the Spirit within you, and so your mind will always cling to your temptations and never try what I ask

Just don't put claims in my mouth

Its annoying

I could make certain normative claims as well, and they'd hold true.

Your point?

temptations are like walking through a desert. it is hard at first, but once you get through, you find the oasis.

A lot of people made those claims

those who never try will never know. you do not try, and so you do not know

Temptations are everywhere

Saints, Bhudda, they all hold true to this date, which one is the ultimate truth?

and you succumb to them, so you cannot see

And temptation only make sense if you have an end term product. i.e heaven.

@Friedrich depends which one talks to you

I think god is kind if Christianity is the wrong one than I hope he forgives me

buddha is wrong because you can’t resist temptation on your own. you need the Spirit of God within you. I am the opposite of what I used to be before the Spirit entered me. you cannot know until you try.

And even heaven doesn't make sense in the general term, that is why I devised an alternate description.

Lol

Prove that.

That you need the "spirit of God"