yeah i’ve visited family in arizona and it gets very hot. its pretty hot in southern california too

Indeed morning Dew

It has been really quiet here today

well it is the 4th of july. im about to head out with the family to go see some fireworks. i thought it was interesting that we had an earthquake on the 4th here in california, almost like God is voicing his displeasure, i can’t really blame Him

@Abe Lover you have never tried, and so you cannot see. You waste time demanding logic and miracles, you do these things to avoid trying what I tell you. you are like a drug addict demanding proof that it is indeed greener on the other side.

@Morning Dew, and you're like an ignoramus who thinks every assertion of his must be synonymous with truth because you think so.

@hawk jungle While I do not agree with your opinion I do respect your right to have that opinion. 😃

Again, you don't need logical justification for God, but if you're going to assert something based on belief it's not truth.

these are not my assertions, they are the assertions of Jesus. They just happen to work. you would never know, because you will not try. i can say nothing else to convince you, as Jesus said, casting the net on the left doesn’t work, that is the devil’s game and he is smarter than us

@Morning Dew I don't demand logic and miracles

Where did you get that strawman from?

He is indeed smarter than we are

Your good at strawmanning

Lord.

But you don't hold evidence for your claims about people

im not going to debate religion, period, love your own and respect the others is where i draw the line

yet another message that doesn’t matter, Abe. stop trying to win debate class. it is clear as day you will say anything to avoid trying what you refuse to try

@hawk jungle yes 👍

I'm not trying to win anything

Yes, but we can have civil discourse regarding religion while regarding that fact as a moral necessity.

I'm trying to defend my reputation

Nothing to win, Let God be true and every man a liar

😃

True?

You think I want miracles and logic to help define god

You have nothing to defend Abe you have always been kind

Idk where you got that from

ever heard of “don’t knock it until you try it?” your reputation, my reputation, these things are meaningless. truth is what matters, and the truth is that temptations destroy societies and they destroy souls. you cannot see until you resist them

Defining God ends up having some rather bad positions being defended

God does not need us to defend Him

Prove the existence of the soul

God's existence does.

That's why there's such a thing as civil discourse regarding God and an entire section of Philosophy for God.

Theology

i can prove that everything Jesus said about how to live righteously is a good idea. You will not be able to see the spiritual side of life until you do this. you are possessed, and do not have the Spirit within you, and so your mind will always cling to your temptations and never try what I ask

Just don't put claims in my mouth

Its annoying

I could make certain normative claims as well, and they'd hold true.

Your point?

temptations are like walking through a desert. it is hard at first, but once you get through, you find the oasis.

A lot of people made those claims