Hello fellow 9:11 year olds...

@Abe Lover, so if you build a wall and are in the process of building it, it is wholly considered a wall despite only being 3 bricks?

Very nicetiful, and I'm moderate pro-life you casul

Gamers rise up..

I'm from Shape Debate.

So, ain't no raid.

Hello, whoever you are.

Person with a lot of suspicious roles..

Nope

A wall is an obstacle, two bricks aren't an obstacle

Checkmate Athiests

What is a wall?

you're*

Define wall for me.

1 a continuous vertical brick or stone structure that encloses or divides an area of land.

2 a thing regarded as a protective or restrictive barrier.

If you haven't cooked a steak, it is not a steak, it is just meat.

Well they must be going wild right now... @Gerge.Bruh

Define steak.

define*

Lord, what do you define steak as, I'm not asking for Google.

Then it's just a false equivocation.

Then*

Now I ask you, if you cook it, has the nature of the steak changed?

Where does the line between cooked and uncooked steak lie?

Steak is edible before and after.

It's still edible.

Nice

Well maybe steak is far too convoluted.

I'll simply ask a question, what makes something a person?

Yeah getting the same messages.

He quit.

Nervous system developments =/= ability to feel pain.

24 weeks is dumb

I generalized around 6-8 weeks as maximum for choice based abortions because that is an average allowing for personal liberty and upholding of morality.

You need a specific area to develop in order for it to feel pain.

Lol

Touché

Legality is based on moral values most of the time and we can decide the validity of certain assumed moral values through science.

12-16 weeks is where the thalamus develops.

Ello Drewski

How ya doing.

Reking libtards here I presume?

I'm about 2000 meters high so I don't have any reception.

That part i agree, prevenyion is beter.

Fricking internet

Like I said, I'd generally agree with that, but again, personal liberty is important in a society so long as it is not taken for granted.

@keanuwiththememes, that's the problem, what if their life decisions are infringing upon the rights of another person, in this case potentially the baby.

And no one has the right to control the life of someone else.

Stop using the Ben Shapiro argument that sucks.

It generalizes liberals.

So you're an anarchist

Kek

If the law is enacted with just measures babies won't die.

And you've still not proven how this is the case.

Moderate pro life allows for abortions in all cases just puts a stamp on when you don't have the right to do so.

Even if it was, moderate pro life allows for this freedom without the consequences of black market abortions

Probably before the thalamus develops.

8-10 weeks

At max

Widest range is 6-10

Rape is like 0.5% of 0.5%

No, even less

Lol, doesn't mean you can't have a study based on the rates.

@California Nightmare, why?

You're begging the question.

What defines something as human?

Or as a person, what makes something be worth our moral consideration?

Lol, I'm talking within the context of the whole world.

Sure there will be discrepancies, but I'm asking for a general range that is applicable in most situations

Sure, that's a given, but them being under developed isn't a case for less of a moral appeal.

Alabama is gay

I'll say it out right.

No homophobia

Laws are there to enforce it.

Lol, we'd be murdering each other without laws or morality.

If the end term product is lacking judgement people have nothing to fear.

And who claimed they were? @Citizen Z

Never said that, said we'd be murdering each other if we ended up believing in no end term judgement due to a lack of morality and legality, which is different from saying "without laws"

Nice

Very democratic

And America is a country with "good" intentions

@keanuwiththememes people disagreeing on what constitutes as human doesn't make it more or less human.

There's not much difference between a baby before and after birth, someone's opinion doesn't make something less or more human.

That's why we check empirical data for backing up our normative claims

Although they do not constitue what is moral.

So if I second guess after I murder someone it's ok?

Nicetiful

No, we have a philosophical argument.

If recall my philosophy classes, a person is that which is worth our moral consideration. Now we have drawn the line, we just need to find out what this person is.

Yes, it is philosophical, but the base rate argument has been decided.

I do major sciences.

Lol, not philosophy, but it is my hobby.

I don't have a major

Am doing a major.

Oh lord, 97?

👀

Yeah, exactly.