**John 9:2 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<2> And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? ```

John 3:3-6 kjv

**John 3:3-6 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<3> Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. <4> Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? <5> Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. <6> That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. ```

Genesis 4:5

**Genesis 4:5 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<5> but for Cain and his offering he had no regard. So Cain was very angry, and his countenance fell. ```

Janes 3:6 niv

James 3:6 niv

**James 3:6 - New International Version (NIV)**

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<6> The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole body, sets the whole course of one's life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell. ```

@Morning Dew How about the violent Bible verses and the many other different Christian sects that all contradict each other’s beliefs. Christianity is a tool that teaches you how to think, also all other religions do get attacked and disrespected by others too. Just because if your religion is criticized and attacked does not mean that your religion is true. How would you know 100% that the religion you’re believing in is completely true? You don’t and you can’t even show actual proof that “heaven” is real and a rapture coming soon. They use the scripture as a playbook so the believers can then point as the “proof” that the prophesy has been fulfilled.

They like to shoehorn all those vague "prophecies" regarding the "end times".

I sense a storm coming

Genesis 9:11-13

**Genesis 9:11-13 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<11> I establish my covenant with you, that never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of a flood, and never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth." <12> God said, "This is the sign of the covenant that I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for all future generations: <13> I have set my bow in the clouds, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and the earth. ```

Matthew 19:26

**Matthew 19:26 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<26> But Jesus looked at them and said, "For mortals it is impossible, but for God all things are possible."```

Judges 1:19

**Judges 1:19 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<19> The Lord was with Judah, and he took possession of the hill country, but could not drive out the inhabitants of the plain, because they had chariots of iron. ```

nah

A lot of church doctrines are false, but the teaching of Jesus and Jesus himself are true

The Bible teaches that the dead await to he resurrected, not that we go to a sky castle

There are a lot of people who dispute ressurection, what it is. When it will happen. Ezekiel writes prior to the second coming and names King David as being one to be resurrected. Putting flesh back on bones and such.

I found few Christians who really believed that from Ezekiel.

I agree there is no solid proof from the Bible one way or the other on Resurrection. For me it is more about I am a parent and love my children. I would give them numerous chances to get it right. Why would not our Creator also give us many chances to get it right? Why would our creator punish any child for the sins of his parent or great grandparent. To me that makes no sense at all. However paying the price for our own sins. That makes sense to me.

I think the passages on this are left up to us figuring out the mystery within them.

When I died I was judged. God sent me back per our agreement. But it was this ultra loving God giving me the choice. Coming back or being born to a better set of parents. I understand others went through this and were never told they would be reincarnated. Why. Well God does not tell us what to believe in these. He just goes with our beliefs. Being very careful for us to maintain free agency.

Why would a logical creator have a religion or favor one religion over the other? I’m sure if it was real, it would judge you from the good and bad things you have done in your life not for “believing” it for following a religion. Why would a God even choose to punish you eternally instead of giving you lots of chances to get it right? Why worship something that is evil and would burn you and your kids if you did something that would upset them. I thought God was all about forgiveness.

@tripp We are more similar in belief it seems to me.

I question the Bible a lot. However I find it more valid than other religious documents. I mostly like Moses, Isaiah and Jeremiah. I do not trust the New Testament all that much.

I do not believe God punishes us eternally. I believe God sends us back to earth and if we were evil we are born to bad parents and we suffer in that way. I also believe God will have us born with abnormalities to help us learn how to be better. Everything done out of pure love.

The Christian God is about love and forgiveness––the Vatican invented the concept of hell after the Romans hikacked Christianity.

I trust history far less than the Bible. Personally I do not believe at all the history in the Bible. Not one whit of it. I think it is all a lie. Perhaps some of those things sort of happened but not as told and when we are told it occured.

@Steve Angell So you believe in reincarnation? Since you would think that God would send us back to earth to test us and acting as a temporary punishment for evil or bad deeds done in the past lives?

A lot of the Bible is based on Jewish Law and Greek mythology, however Christ was real and many events within the Bible were also but over time the names of places were changed as well as names of people and much more.

Yes. Perhaps many lifetimes for really bad sins.

```Roman Historian Cornelius Tacitus
(c. A.D. 55-120) on the account of Christ:

"But not all the relief that could come   from man, not all the bounties that the price could bestow, nor all the atonements which could be presented to the gods, availed to relieve Nero from   the infamy of being believed to have ordered the conflagration, the fire of   Rome.  Hence to suppress the rumor, he falsely charged with the guilt,   and punished with the most exquisite tortures, the persons commonly called   Christians, who were hated for their enormities.  Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of   Judea in the reign of Tiberius: but the pernicious superstition, repressed for   a time, broke out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief   originated, but through the city of Rome also.” (Annals XV, 44)1.```

```Another secular authority, Phlegon, wrote a book entitled Chronicles, which was quoted by Julius Africanus.  Like Thallus,  Phiegon acknowledges that a darkness fell upon the land about the time of  Christ’s death, and like Thallus he attributes this to a solar eclipse:

“During the time of Tiberius Caesar an eclipse of the sun   occurred during the full moon.” (Africanus, Chronography, 18.1)```

Yes I believe there was a Jesus Christ figure. Dates are lies and such. I believe many of the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament are valid.

So you see, Christianity was adopted by the Roman Empire after years of persecution in order to quell the rioting that followed his crucification, only they edited things and made their own version of it, called Catholicism.

I posted a video in civil debate. Watch it and he makes many points from a book which was written about true history and how it was erased for many reasons. Seems far more valid than the history we are taught.

I make no claim to know how it works.

What you ought to focus on is the mysticism and the metaphysical, or the symbolism and proto-psychology of Christianity—the wisdom.

I think Psalms is the best place to go to for wisdom and how to get it although start with Proverbs.

```In regards to "Symtheism" or Symbolic Christianity:

1) The personification of God in the Bible is a literary device,

2) God’s only consciousness is our collective consciousness (Society),

3) Miracles are the result of the laws of physics not in exception to them,

4) The actual (in reality) resurrection of Christ not necessary (in complete disagreement with Paul),

5) Spirit not a disembodied persona but merely the impact of one’s life on society,

6) Belief in Scriptural (OT) heaven and hell not Catholicism constructed heaven and hell,

7) Recognition of Bible being a construct of the Catholic Church,

8) Gospel of John written with a political agenda as priority,

9) Recognition that “Paul” hijacked Christianity,

10) Almost all prophesies have been fulfilled such that there’s nothing to be waiting on like a 2nd coming or “rapture”.```

@Steve Angell Ever beard about the reincarnation trap? There’s a theory that goes on saying that our consciousness becomes trapped and always get recycled back to earth.

Funny that Resurrection in Western Christianity can be parallel with Eastern Hinduism's reincarnation—Gnosticism is about escaping reincarnation, just as Buddhism is focused on escaping the wheel of life.

I do not believe in the ressurection of Jesus. Do not believe it happened. Primary reason. Mark was the first Gospel written and no body found but also he was not resurrected. They added that to it much later on.

In a more logical manner, resurrection or reincarnation of the soul can be witnessed by transfer of personality, or the incarnation of specific psychological archetypes—such as the traits of Judas or Lucifer.