The question is how you know that @Citizen Z

I see a lot of people cling to the presupposition that water is flat and then use that as an argument for a flat earth

That's just circular reasoning

Evidence for/against bendy water is just evidence for/against flat earth in general

Waiting for your experiment to prove your bendy water. Everyone is taught water finds and maintains level. When have you ever seen a large body of water bending? The globe model is circular reasoning. Flat earthers are the ones who go out to large bodies of water and make observations that tell us the earth doesnt curve at 8 inches per mile squared.

Don't start with the presupposition that water has to be flat in all scales, you aren't actually taught "water in larger scales are always geometrically flat"

Id like to know why you think i should believe the water curves when all observation and measurement tell us otherwise?

Because they don't.

@Albert Einstein yes you are taught that

Horizon = horizontal

Well I certaintly haven't, but you agree that type of presuppositional reasoning has no place here.

Whether you were taught or not, you shouldn't just assume it is true.

That definition doesn't mean anything either, I can show you plenty of definitions used in spherical models also for elevation, level or anything like that.

Water on small scales will be horisontal if no other forces are acting on it.

I'm good! A bit tired, I really should go to bed, past 2 am where I live. How are you?

https://youtu.be/5zmRY7Wn4sA

All that extra time 😛

Use it well!

@Citizen Z I agree it will be flat on small scales, I don't agree that we have reason to believe it has to be flat on all scales

Anyways, bedtime for me. I'll be back tomorrow @Citizen Z

@Albert Einstein so you admit we are taught that and there is no reason to believe it works differently on a large scale other than fake pictures and mathematical construct made by liars and fallible men. You are believing what you were told without being able to verify it. Thats the problem here..flat earth is verifiable and globe earth is not.

K cya

"You are believing what you were told without being able to verify it. Thats the problem "
Ditto

Always start out with not knowing the answer then find your way, that way you will look at the data more objectively.

I don't really care

Ah okay, I'll do it either way. Good night!

Bye

Flat earth is easily provable and is common sense

Observe ... report what you see.. common sense

Well what do we observe over water?

@Citizen Z I disagree that it is easily provable or even common sense. I don't think there is something about a sphere earth which violates common sense.

The essence of the problem here is how we interpret what we see, over water this is extra tricky because it will essentially change everyday you observe something. One day maybe 50 percent of an object is obscured, say 60 feet, on another day that might be 30 and on rare occasions the whole thing is seemingly visible.

But I think only sticking to these water tests are kind of an overly restrictive thing, if we can show that earth most likely is a sphere then it follows that water is most likely curved.

LOL

Globe trolls =)

@Citizen Z My point is that if you start out with the assumption that water cannot curve, you can post-hoc rationalize all the data (if your definitions of things are rather vauge) to fit the bill.

https://flatearthinsanity.blogspot.com/2016/07/toronto-cn-tower-from-olcott-ny.html

Like that image for instance

My point is if you start out thinking it does curve....lol

Everything you say you need to apply to yourself lol