Albert Einstein
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Do people who discuss stuff civilly get banned from here regularly?
And can someone be a bit upfront with that before I even try.........
To know if water bends over long distances we have to understand what we're looking at
@Drewski4343 That's good, just got banned from there for nothing.
Actually, not feeling debating anything just now. Might be back later today, gonna work on some horizon curve data. Just finding videos and through a simply straight forward methodology find the relevant portions of each one.
The question is how you know that @Citizen Z
I see a lot of people cling to the presupposition that water is flat and then use that as an argument for a flat earth
That's just circular reasoning
Evidence for/against bendy water is just evidence for/against flat earth in general
The moon is obviously a physical rocky thing up there
Get a telescope and look at it
And if you presuppose a screen before seeing what your eyes tell you got a problem
@rightthehand It's called the moon
@rightthehand You are fully stuck in your fundamental reasoning when it comes to evidence. To say the presupposition of a giant screen is more rational than simply accepting that indeed there is a large rocky-type physical object up there is just ludicrous.
The way you reason means any evidence that could possibly exist wouldn't mean anything to you @rightthehand
@rightthehand What type of evidence are you looking for.
I know, because there isn't an answer
@rightthehand Well for starters, how about you make a video of flying. Fly infront of other people filming...etc...
That's actually easy
And fly infront of others filming
News agencies and such
If you could fly, you could easily demonstrate in an hour or two
Now that's an entirely different question
What type of evidence do you want? @rightthehand
@rightthehand I told you that would be trivially to provide, now you are just stalling
You refuse to answer because you have no answer. Simple as that.
Admit there is no evidence that could persuade even though the moon was indeed a physical object in orbit. @rightthehand
Or prove me wrong by telling me what evidence you want.
I am asking you what evidence you are looking for
So what evidence?
@rightthehand Oh man, I must have missed when you proved the giant screen enveloping earth.
"oh no every satelite we can see with telescopes is just nasa magic"
"and everything else is a screen"
@rightthehand The rate is not constant btw
It depends on elevation and what mass is below you
See gravimeters
@rightthehand When the police pull you over for speeding with a device that uses doppler shifts to measure speed what do you say?
Don't start with the presupposition that water has to be flat in all scales, you aren't actually taught "water in larger scales are always geometrically flat"
Because they don't.
Well I certaintly haven't, but you agree that type of presuppositional reasoning has no place here.
Whether you were taught or not, you shouldn't just assume it is true.
That definition doesn't mean anything either, I can show you plenty of definitions used in spherical models also for elevation, level or anything like that.
Water on small scales will be horisontal if no other forces are acting on it.
I'm good! A bit tired, I really should go to bed, past 2 am where I live. How are you?
All that extra time ๐
Use it well!
@Citizen Z I agree it will be flat on small scales, I don't agree that we have reason to believe it has to be flat on all scales
Anyways, bedtime for me. I'll be back tomorrow @Citizen Z
"You are believing what you were told without being able to verify it. Thats the problem "
Ditto
Always start out with not knowing the answer then find your way, that way you will look at the data more objectively.
Ah okay, I'll do it either way. Good night!
Well what do we observe over water?
@Citizen Z I disagree that it is easily provable or even common sense. I don't think there is something about a sphere earth which violates common sense.
The essence of the problem here is how we interpret what we see, over water this is extra tricky because it will essentially change everyday you observe something. One day maybe 50 percent of an object is obscured, say 60 feet, on another day that might be 30 and on rare occasions the whole thing is seemingly visible.
But I think only sticking to these water tests are kind of an overly restrictive thing, if we can show that earth most likely is a sphere then it follows that water is most likely curved.
How do you determine what's real photos?
Not every photo is made from these satelite strips, the 1972 blue marble comes to mind.
"The Blue Marble is an image of Earth taken on December 7, 1972, from a distance of about 29,000 kilometers (18,000 miles) from the planet's surface.[1][2][3] It was taken by the crew of the Apollo 17 spacecraft on its way to the Moon, and is one of the most reproduced images in history.[4][5]"
Yeah, earth looks curved at higher altitude. This is quite easily demonstrated with all the footage we got. How about that?
Oh that's fine, I am not forcing anyone.
How do I get access to the curvature tab? Thinking of doing some work concerning that actually.
@rightthehand Super basic geometry man
Look at the bottom, there's a diagram
The same can be done with a physical ball and a camera
No contradiction
Yup
Same with reality
At high altitude that is what happens
In an experiment with a physical ball it is almost impossible to get close enough for the analogy to hold
But the same happens
@rightthehand Read that
Depends how you view it
Read it man, I can vouch for it
Yup
Relatively flat anyways
It depends from what viewpoint you are looking at it from
Sure, that might be accurate yes.
A large spherical earth is reasonably flat locally
It is very un-flat over larger distances
Well not really
These fractions can confuse you
The drop is still about 16 feet
Yeah you need precise measurements for it
2 sek
Just look at the picture
No need to read anything
Hmmm, only 5 miles? 16 feet of drop.......... Not without an extremely good methodology
But over 40 miles?
You'll see this:
Look at the picture
With a telescope at the correct point?
Maybe
Let's do 40 miles now
It's quite flat within 5 miles
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